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::) Still not paying attention, is he?

@Dallara - You have a lot to offer the forums. But try not to spout off about things just because you think they're the best thing since sliced bread, the try and convince everyone else that they should do it too. Awesome that you like what you did. ::008:: Do everyone a favor and don't comment on things you have no experience with.
 

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EricV said:
::) Still not paying attention, is he?

@Dallara - You have a lot to offer the forums. But try not to spout off about things just because you think they're the best thing since sliced bread, the try and convince everyone else that they should do it too. Awesome that you like what you did. ::008:: Do everyone a favor and don't comment on things you have no experience with.


You mean like you commenting on traffic patterns, speed enforcement, and the various constabularies in and around the Great State of Texas?

And let's not forget, Eric... I simply posted a simple review with my own thoughts and opinions of Michelin Anakee 3's, and it was you that decided to drop and tell me what tire pressures I should run, how I should ride, what articles I should read, etc., etc., etc. In other words, quite a bit of spouting off on your part, eh?

Perhaps you should take a bit of your own advice? ::)

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Your first two posts on that thread were great! You did a very nice job of explaining how you were riding and what you liked/disliked, and what you had tried.

But in truth, you were also saying you only had 1600 miles on the tires. Sure, enough to get a good feel for them, but no telling on wear, which you agreed, was still unknown.

You baffled me on the low front tire pressure for someone that is riding to the edge of your tires and pushing HARD, as you said, in the corners. And you choose to defend that by stating the Yamaha recommended tire pressure.

5500 miles on the EXPs and they last longer than other tires have on other bikes. Ok. I got ~6200 from my EXPs. But I usually get far more from tires and was seeing twice that on the K60s. That left me thinking that if I only got 6200 or so and you're getting 5500, that you might actually like the mileage you get from some other tires. it's pretty well understood that lower pressures will cause tires to wear faster. Reporting that you can really get the TCS light "strobing" on hard corner exits and saying that didn't happen on the EXP sounds a little odd to me too. As did your opinion of the EXPs having good wet traction. In the wet, in TX, is where I experienced the worst of wet traction issues with the EXPs. Slipping at steady speed on mild corners to the point that I thought I had a flat tire. Apply enough throttle and you're going to start spinning the wheel. All you're doing is wearing it out faster when the TCS is flashing.

Telling the forum that you can ride 85-95 and not have issues with the police might be true for your little area, but not for all of TX. It's well known in the LD community to watch your speed in TX or risk getting cited for 2-3 over. You probably noticed, TX is a big state. And I do know people that got tickets for 2-3 over. I wasn't there, so can't honestly say if something else happened, but there is enough people reporting this that it's not a fluke or one guy's bad attitude.

We have had different experiences. Some vastly. To be honest, I don't get what you do, and you don't get what I do. I ride to go places. Sometimes that means farther away and riding more hours in a day than you seem to find appealing. I don't see the appeal in riding hard in the twisties. Or group riding. I've done both. I can hide hard, but I'm not looking for an adrenaline rush or trying to see how fast I can take a corner, that's not what I enjoy about riding. And I'm not saying that's what or all you enjoy, just that we're different.
 

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...... and breath ...... ahhhhhhhh ....... mmmmmmm that's so much better!

So we've all been havin' some kinda good time ;D awesome.

Now I have a dilemma .... I was thinking of some new hoops for my scoot. I was looking at the Anakee 3's and toying with the EXP's .... now what am I gonna do :-\
 

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Swagger said:
Now I have a dilemma .... I was thinking of some new hoops for my scoot. I was looking at the Anakee 3's and toying with the EXP's .... now what am I gonna do :-\
I guess you're on your own there. :D
 

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Swagger said:
::002::

...... and breath ...... ahhhhhhhh ....... mmmmmmm that's so much better!

So we've all been havin' some kinda good time ;D awesome.

Now I have a dilemma .... I was thinking of some new hoops for my scoot. I was looking at the Anakee 3's and toying with the EXP's .... now what am I gonna do :-\


IMHO, Swagger...

They're both great tires. Just different, and for different kinds of riders. From my experience (a bit over 2,100 miles on 'em now) the Anakee 3's are better off-road, but not quite as good as the Tourance EXP's on-road, especially if you start to ride quicker in the twisty bits.

As I mentioned in the review posts in other threads, and this is simply my own opinion, the Anakee 3 is better for someone who rides about a 60/40 to 80/20 mix of on-road riding to off-road, whereas the Tourance EXP is better if you ride about 85/15 to 95/5 mix of the two. If you ride purely on the road then there are better choices than either, like a dedicated sport touring tire. Ditto if you ride more than 40% of your time off-road. Something with a knobby tread would serve you much better.

I'm certainly not going to tell you one tire is pure crap and the other exemplary, because that's simply not the case. They're both fine products. If you'd like check out my review posts in the Anakee 3 threads.

Hope this helps! :)

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EricV said:
Your first two posts on that thread were great! You did a very nice job of explaining how you were riding and what you liked/disliked, and what you had tried.

But in truth, you were also saying you only had 1600 miles on the tires. Sure, enough to get a good feel for them, but no telling on wear, which you agreed, was still unknown.

You baffled me on the low front tire pressure for someone that is riding to the edge of your tires and pushing HARD, as you said, in the corners. And you choose to defend that by stating the Yamaha recommended tire pressure.

5500 miles on the EXPs and they last longer than other tires have on other bikes. Ok. I got ~6200 from my EXPs. But I usually get far more from tires and was seeing twice that on the K60s. That left me thinking that if I only got 6200 or so and you're getting 5500, that you might actually like the mileage you get from some other tires. it's pretty well understood that lower pressures will cause tires to wear faster. Reporting that you can really get the TCS light "strobing" on hard corner exits and saying that didn't happen on the EXP sounds a little odd to me too. As did your opinion of the EXPs having good wet traction. In the wet, in TX, is where I experienced the worst of wet traction issues with the EXPs. Slipping at steady speed on mild corners to the point that I thought I had a flat tire. Apply enough throttle and you're going to start spinning the wheel. All you're doing is wearing it out faster when the TCS is flashing.

Telling the forum that you can ride 85-95 and not have issues with the police might be true for your little area, but not for all of TX. It's well known in the LD community to watch your speed in TX or risk getting cited for 2-3 over. You probably noticed, TX is a big state. And I do know people that got tickets for 2-3 over. I wasn't there, so can't honestly say if something else happened, but there is enough people reporting this that it's not a fluke or one guy's bad attitude.

We have had different experiences. Some vastly. To be honest, I don't get what you do, and you don't get what I do. I ride to go places. Sometimes that means farther away and riding more hours in a day than you seem to find appealing. I don't see the appeal in riding hard in the twisties. Or group riding. I've done both. I can hide hard, but I'm not looking for an adrenaline rush or trying to see how fast I can take a corner, that's not what I enjoy about riding. And I'm not saying that's what or all you enjoy, just that we're different.

Wow, Eric...

Your closing part there sounds exactly like what I said to you in the other thread yesterday. Interesting that you suddenly adopt the same thought.

As far as speed limits and the constabulary in Texas, here you finally admit you have absolutely no personal, first hand knowledge of enforcement practices or citations here but are basing your proclamations strictly on hearsay. Remember when you said I knew nothing about using car tires on motorcycles because I had never done it? I've had factory tire engineers tell me using car tires on motorcycles is not a smart thing to do for a ton of reasons, but you discount that by saying basically that you've done it so everything they say is BS.

Well, I've been riding (and driving) all over Texas for well over 40 years, and I've actually received "performance award" citations here - not just heard about them from 3rd parties in the "LD community". Pretty much the rule of thumb here is on any highway you're safe with the DPS (Texas Department of Public Safety - our "Highway Patrol" - for those unfamiliar) at 5 to 10 over the posted limit. Anything over that and they'll write you. Local police departments and sheriff's are a different kettle of fish. There are many that will write you for less than 5 MPH over, but you learn quickly which ones those are and adjust accordingly.

Most all of Texas highways and FM's (farm-to-market roads) are posted either 70 or 75 MPH now, and on those you can tack on 8 to 10 MPH and feel pretty secure, especially if you keep your eyes open. So 80 to 85 MPH on those is a day-to-day reality for us. Certain roads are posted at 80 MPH (lots of West Texas and certain toll roads) and 85 MPH (SH-130), and on those 90 and 95 MPH (respectively) are the norm. Ask anybody who drove SH-130 while down for the Austin MotoGP and they'll gladly tell you the same, and I'll be happy to point you toward an article where the DPS states they would have only have light and limited enforcement there. I've regularly set my throttle lock on a GPS-indicated 100 MPH and sat back and let the miles roll by... And yes, that's hard on tires, too, especially in 95+ degree heat.

Are there towns where you don't want to be speeding - at all? Sure! Just like there is in every state. But like I said, you simply take those into account while traveling. Run a radar detector (which I do always) and pay attention and those aren't any issue.

Yes, Texas is a *BIG* state, and I'd hazard to guess I've ridden a hell of a lot more of it than you have, and at all sorts of speeds. You trying to tell me about speed enforcement here in Texas is like me trying to tell you about it in Utah... And I don't know a damn thing about speed enforcement in Utah.

Try to cut down on that Hiram Walker and the Luckies... ;)

Now I'm going riding! ::012::

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Really? ..... Really?

Have I really gotta put my moderator hat on ...... I don't wanna do that. Please don't make me do that.
 

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Karson said:
Ha! Just jokes, Karson.

And I'm glad I could bring some of the Eric/Dallara fun to this thread.

Gotta say, after a couple of extremely detailed and helpful PMs from Dallara about suspension settings, I know who I'm siding with on any suspension/tire debates. And this "average" rider will be upgrading my suspension - if a couple of well-placed tweaks make this much difference - I can only imagine what a premium suspension will offer.

This is in no way a slight toward EricV whom I consider a valuable contributor to this asylum. Hell, I've had a few run-ins with Dallara, but when I needed help on something with my bike he reached out to me with very helpful advice.

That to me is what these forums are all about - boys will be boys.

No need for a Ban-Hammer, Swagger - let's enjoy the fun...
 

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Ditto on all of that - when all you have is a keyboard and screen as a social medium, sometimes things can get misconstrued fast. I try to ask myself before i hit post, "if i was talking to this fella in person, is this what i'd say?". sometimes i catch myself, other times not so much.

either way - i'm sure all the people i've butted heads against here are cool dudes in person. just the way this sorta thing works. O0
 

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either way - i'm sure all the people i've butted heads against here are cool dudes in person. just the way this sorta thing works. O0
Yep.

If anyone here (or any other forum for that matter) that I've had run-ins with actually needed help I'd be there with bells on. Brothers fight like cats and dogs, but if a real need arises, they always come through when it counts - that's how I view these things...
 

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creggur said:
... Brothers fight like cats and dogs, but if a real need arises, they always come through when it counts - that's how I view these things...
Me too :)
 
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