No idle and high idle problem

[Checkswrecks]

It started out rough the morning I went down to Bobby J's after about 20 minutes it rode like a champ all the way down and all the way back..
Next morning it went nuts, high idle bouncing around and cutting out over a dozen times,
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Ramsey - First off, sorry to hear they didn't hit the root of the problem. What strikes me in how this is worded is that it sounds worse, not better.

Not trying to be a dick but it needs to be out in front of Yamaha's face.. I guess their theory is it will be outdated and traded in so why worry.. That's a bad way to look at it. ::007::

No dickery about it, because you've probably been one of the worst we've heard of.

As I wrote before, I physically was at Yam HQ and talked to a couple of Customer Support people about hard starting and shared that thread with them. That's when they spoke to the Customer Engineering guy I also mentioned. While we did not talk about the No Idle-High Idle issue, they:

1. Were not at all dismissing that something was going on. They pointed out that the company (Yamaha North America) doesn't even have a Gen 1 bike anymore and hadn't had one in several years.

2. Kept saying that the only way for Yamaha to become aware is through the dealer and area TECH rep, not the area sales person, who dealers mostly interact with.

3. For Gen1 hard starts which are not what you are describing, they related that the only thing they knew to improve the situation was the fuel cleaner additive. I remember that you mentioned trying this with no luck and am mentioning it only because somebody with a Gen1 hard starter may be reading this thread.

Especially because you have/had the problem well documented while the bike was in warranty, my suggestion would be to stay on the Tech Rep and Yam NA. It sounds like you have a helpful dealer so don't let him get stuck in the middle.

 

[911guy]

2013 , No ECU flash. I tried everything, rerouting wires, Fuel Treatment, replace pressure sensor, Valve Adjustment, New plugs , All wiring connections inspected and cleaned and more. Then mysteriously the Yamaha Rep offered to replace the Wiring Harness for free. I am the second owner and no warranty. I have put close to 3,000 miles on since the repair a few months ago and I have had zero issues.

 

[Ramseybella]

2013 , No ECU flash. I tried everything, rerouting wires, Fuel Treatment, replace pressure sensor, Valve Adjustment, New plugs , All wiring connections inspected and cleaned and more. Then mysteriously the Yamaha Rep offered to replace the Wiring Harness for free. I am the second owner and no warranty. I have put close to 3,000 miles on since the repair a few months ago and I have had zero issues.

My point!!
I seriously believe Yamaha knows and knew about this by now, and they seem to be slowly stepping up to the plate..
Lets see what happens on my end, i will call them Friday.

 

[Ramseybella]

Had a call from Bobby J's and the word is January is when Yamaha is sending it's rep and Mechanics with a new wiring harness in hand.
Along with $500.00 compensation package for all my stress related issues.. What should i use the $500.00 for?
I have my third valve check around the corner but my clutch is starting to get long in the tooth and still making that light clattering noise when it's disengaged.
The clutch lever travel is getting a bit short as well. :
Hell I'm grateful they are coming out to even consider a look..

 

[Dogdaze]

::016:: ::008:: That's what I call a result Ramseybella. Get the valve check and clutch done, then enjoy your bike again.

 

[Ramseybella]

::016:: ::008:: That's what I call a result Ramseybella. Get the valve check and clutch done, then enjoy your bike again.

$500 may get the valve check and maybe the clutch but not both.. I am still looking for work so I can't even afford to spend $200.00 at this point unless that extra out of my pocket would at least get the clutch done. I can go another 10k on the valves.

 

[Nikolajsen]

Had a call from Bobby J's and the word is January is when Yamaha is sending it's rep and Mechanics with a new wiring harness in hand.
Along with $500.00 compensation package for all my stress related issues.. What should i use the $500.00 for?
I have my third valve check around the corner but my clutch is starting to get long in the tooth and still making that light clattering noise when it's disengaged.
The clutch lever travel is getting a bit short as well. :
Hell I'm grateful they are coming out to even consider a look..

::007:: ::007::

 

[Ramseybella]

::007:: ::007::

Nikolajsen:::: What's the double thumbs down for?

 

[Dogdaze]

Nikolajsen:::: What's the double thumbs down for?

Probably the last one sentence about the clutch.........

 

[Nikolajsen]

Probably the last one sentence about the clutch.........

Yes, Dogdaze hit it..
I se now, that I could have been more specific..sorry.
I of course think, that the service is ::008::
But the problem with clutch as well is ::007:: ::007::

 

[Ramseybella]

Yes, Dogdaze hit it..
I se now, that I could have been more specific..sorry.
I of course think, that the service is ::008::
But the problem with clutch as well is ::007:: ::007::

Have to make a pick, maybe the techs will do a valve check while probing around for the problem, this way I can get the clutch done?
I am hoping all will be thumbs up for the harness and not some well you change the CCT to manual and installed an Eastern Beaver fuse block and swapped the Tenere dash charger with a voltage meter, you never know. Hate to be negative but damn last three years since i was laid off have been brutal with it. :'(

 

[Nikolajsen]

:'( :'(
Look at the bright side, from here it can only get better.......

 

[Ramseybella]

:'( :'(
Look at the bright side, from here it can only get better.......

The week of January 15'th is my date with Yamaha technicians..
Just got off the phone with Yamaha rep Victor option 3 then 17484
1-800-926-7926 ...
I vigorously expressed to Victor that we are trying to get Yamaha on this issue for other generation one owners, and that some of us consider it a safety issue on top of the frustration..
I am trying guys.. ::002::

 

[mileageman]

Ramseybella as you most likely know I have had all the same problems you and others have had. I have been giving updates from time to time on my bike after the replacement of the wiring harness. I now have 6,600 miles since the wiring harness replacement. The bike has been perfect. It starts every time even in cold weather. It has none of the problems it used to have. I don't need to use the Yamaha decarbon additive. I think the bikes affected have a main wiring harness problem and they know it. The additive is most likely just cleaning some of the carbon off the intake tracks and valves which temporarily helps because the bikes are running so poorly. That is not a fix. Because your bike exhibits all the same problems mine had, I would say my bike is proof that the wiring harness should be the first place to go. I realize that the machines are complicated where many different systems can cause similar effects but I addressed all the other areas and am confident the wiring harness is the problem. I wish I had a good spare one because I would give it to you. I am disappointed that Yamaha is trying to pacify the owners with the additive. Too bad they cannot see beyond the bike you currently own and look to future sales. Best of luck with the techs on the 15th. I feel for you because you have suffered more than many with the Tenere problem. Again I will be pulling for you on the 15th.

 

[Jeff Milleman]

Have a 2015 S10 , Coming off throttle to a stop or idle it would stall but would start rite up again no problem . This would not happen often but was not right so I synced the throttle body's and so far NO more problems !! I just went about 1/4 out and it runs great..

 

[Ramseybella]

Well things got moved to the week of the 25th, this week. Had no choice but drop it off Friday a friend brought me back home 98 miles one way.
Talked to the service manager about that $500.00 credit and asked if he could squeeze a clutch replacement with it and that "Cough, Cough" the tech's needed to perform a valve clearance check while they have it apart installing the wiring harness. As it's due for #3 valve check, just to make sure everything was to their liking before firing it back up. ::016::
I have no problem pitching in a little money to get the clutch correct, since they are doing all this for free past warranty as of February last year..
I changed out the air filter and changed the oil before I sent it off. Those vacuum nipple plugs that Yamaha sells suck. This is the third time i have noticed splitting in the rubber, it didn't go all the way through.
I replaced it with a heaver cap from NAPA.

 

[Ramseybella]

Rep came with a wiring Harness and left empty handed. He called me this week and as Murphy's law would have it, couldn't get it to go mental.
No high idle no stall after riding 300 miles on it.
Then I called after a couple days and he tells me he got it to stall and is installing the harness.
The service rep and the Yamaha rep can't seem to understand what my problem with the clutch is. They find it working fine and can't hear the chattering noise when disengaged..
So i have $500.00 sitting in the Yamaha credit bag for anything i can spend it on. I need to pick it up this week and i will point out the noise that i didn't have after the 14 basket was installed now at 65k since installed it does.

 

[Checkswrecks]

Amazing how the company is supporting you. Been listening to more BMW and Harley stories from friends with recent issues. Once the warranty mileage is done, so are those companies.

 

[Ramseybella]

Amazing how the company is supporting you. Been listening to more BMW and Harley stories from friends with recent issues. Once the warranty mileage is done, so are those companies.

I was surprised as well!!
Never the less this was his first go around with the Tenere Troubles and he is hearing from the tech's at home base that get the harnesses back, they can't find where the problem is with the harnesses that causes the issue.. He also mentioned that the Generation II harness is designed different from the original because of the extra added features to the new Tenere's. But we already knew this!!
Lets see when i get it back how this new harness keeps the ghost out of the machine and maybe do a happy dance after a month from now.
And yes the tech told me they read this forum as well as other Yamaha forums.
Now i did offer others with this issue to PM their names and phone numbers and that i would hand them over to this tech.
Sadly no one responded to my offer. ::004::

 

[Ramseybella]

New harness installed with a new set of plugs.. Picked it up today and i do notice a difference more punch to the motor and the gas mileage was decent running 95-100mph 75miles of the 100 mile ride home. No gas odor in the garage and stayed flat at 1100 rpm all the way home when i stopped at intersections.
Take her for another run tomorrow cross fingers this is the last i see any ghost in my bike..