I live in Australia. I happen to be decissionless about the mighty super 10 and the( dare I use this name on this sight) r1200gs adventure! Thought I join this forum and see if any one can sort me out!! I happen to have a 660 tenere at the moment. Ill have a read around and hope to come to a closure.. Good to be here any way.
Newbie. Hi everyone!
- Thread starter Rudolph
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For the money the S10. Don't know why you are thinking really 
Anyway, ::004:: aboard from the Blue Mountains.
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Graham
Anyway, ::004:: aboard from the Blue Mountains.
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Graham
Well you can completely farkle an S10 the way you want it for the same price or less and there is pretty much zero chance of it breaking down. For me it was a no brainer.
Thank you both for your input ::008::
I have a neighbour with the Adventure, I only rode it once for around 100km. Of course I thought it was brilliant.
I realise that going on the Beamer from a 660 Tenere is a bit of a far jump, but far out....
The wife and I was lucky to test ride the Triumph Explorer in Perth a month ago and I thought it was great..
I have a problem with the tank size at 20 litres. It had a slight road feel about it as well which is'nt what I am realy looking for. I admid that I am not gravel "worrior".
My neigbour got to go on this trip with some mates to Allice springs heading north east from Kalgoorlie. All gravel. He tells me the longest run between fuel was 450km...
Of course with the gsa you would'nt worry about that at 33litre tank capacity. This sort of thing is what realy got me thinking. Do any of you guys know the payload capacity of the S10 ? I am thinking about fuel options.
I have read about shaft problems on the earlier beamers. But I think they have it sorted now.
It scares be to have BMW working on my bike, if I bought one. I can see them draining the dollars out of a bloke. My closest dealer is 750 km away. The yamie dealer is 70 away, but he might be closing his doors, if he does'nt sell. Honda, Kawasaki rules in my town.
Like most of us on this forum, I am fairly handy when it comes to the tools and fixing/servicing my own bike, but have been told the beamer has a service light that comes on,
which only the dealer will reset, unless you mortgage the hardware and software for your laptop to do it yourself... But if these bikes are so reliable, will I ever take it in??
You must be reading my post and shake your head by now.. ???
I can say, I have not ridden the S10. I have read a post that said they were sluggish in Tour and not much better in Sport. I heard that wind protection is poor and that they are heavy.., much more weight up high than the B... I know, wet they weigh the same, but thats with 10 litres more juice in the B.
Do the S10 have grip warmers as standard? The rear suspension, is it electronic? Can you buy the S10 with cruise by wire?
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I have a neighbour with the Adventure, I only rode it once for around 100km. Of course I thought it was brilliant.
I realise that going on the Beamer from a 660 Tenere is a bit of a far jump, but far out....
The wife and I was lucky to test ride the Triumph Explorer in Perth a month ago and I thought it was great..
I have a problem with the tank size at 20 litres. It had a slight road feel about it as well which is'nt what I am realy looking for. I admid that I am not gravel "worrior".
My neigbour got to go on this trip with some mates to Allice springs heading north east from Kalgoorlie. All gravel. He tells me the longest run between fuel was 450km...
Of course with the gsa you would'nt worry about that at 33litre tank capacity. This sort of thing is what realy got me thinking. Do any of you guys know the payload capacity of the S10 ? I am thinking about fuel options.
I have read about shaft problems on the earlier beamers. But I think they have it sorted now.
It scares be to have BMW working on my bike, if I bought one. I can see them draining the dollars out of a bloke. My closest dealer is 750 km away. The yamie dealer is 70 away, but he might be closing his doors, if he does'nt sell. Honda, Kawasaki rules in my town.
Like most of us on this forum, I am fairly handy when it comes to the tools and fixing/servicing my own bike, but have been told the beamer has a service light that comes on,
which only the dealer will reset, unless you mortgage the hardware and software for your laptop to do it yourself... But if these bikes are so reliable, will I ever take it in??
You must be reading my post and shake your head by now.. ???
I can say, I have not ridden the S10. I have read a post that said they were sluggish in Tour and not much better in Sport. I heard that wind protection is poor and that they are heavy.., much more weight up high than the B... I know, wet they weigh the same, but thats with 10 litres more juice in the B.
Do the S10 have grip warmers as standard? The rear suspension, is it electronic? Can you buy the S10 with cruise by wire?
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Don't worry about the carrying capacity too much. The bike is a bit heavy for a reason. But it doesn't feel heavy.Rudolph said:
No. Aftermarket or YAMAHA accessory.Rudolph said:
No.Rudolph said:
Rostra, is an option but as yet. nothing from YAMAHA.Rudolph said:
MikeBear
New Member
I have some questions for you:
1. Are you planning on taking this bike off road?
2. How far?
3. Two up or alone?
4. What is your height?
Or better off just go and test drive this incredible machine . You will know . Good luck. ::004::
1. Are you planning on taking this bike off road?
2. How far?
3. Two up or alone?
4. What is your height?
Or better off just go and test drive this incredible machine . You will know . Good luck. ::004::
::026::coastie said:
I really liked my 2008 GS, I had it just how I liked it with Wilburs Suspension and all the luggage / inner bags / comms gear sorted, and there was nothing I would have liked more than to buy the latest Twin Cam GS and swap the bits over, except.
1. Services cost a fortune
2. Things go wrong all the time
3. Repairing the things that go wrong costs a fortune
4. Even paying for the exended warranty left excesses to pay and loads of stuff excluded.
Between 6k (when I bought it) and 20k (When I sold it) it needed two services (£650) and around £1600 of repairs, luckily most of this was covered by warranty, but I still spent £325 for a years warranty on top of £200 for repairs not covered by warranty as well as the high service costs - never again!
The Tenere is a pretty damn fine motorcyle, I think it sits halfway between the stock GS and the GSA, which suits me fine as I wanted a slightlly bigger tank and spoked wheels - and a final drive that won't explode!
barkingllizard
Well-Known Member
a simple hello, Rudolph.....
Thanks for that picture Graham! That has a decent load on it!
It would seem that you could load it right up then.
Rasher, I hate to have to bring up bad memories about handing out money. I am curious, what went wrong with the gs if I may ask?
Would you realy say, Never again?
Hello MikeBear, look, I would go off road a little, i have 200km of gravel which happen to be my short cut to Perth. I have other gravel tracks which I would like to explore, and like I said, there is the 450km between fuelstops track my mate went on to Alice,
Which I would love to do one day. Then I have a few tracks
that I would like to try, where I never been, I am no expert on tecnical stuff, more a wannabe. Truth is, I only held a open license for 2 years now!
I take my wife with me 99% of the time. No kids yet, dont know where they are!
I am 6'3 .
Hello Barkingllizard, how are you?
Thank you for all the responses, this is a great forum! Hard work tapping on a smart phone! Is there a App yet?
It would seem that you could load it right up then.
Rasher, I hate to have to bring up bad memories about handing out money. I am curious, what went wrong with the gs if I may ask?
Would you realy say, Never again?
Hello MikeBear, look, I would go off road a little, i have 200km of gravel which happen to be my short cut to Perth. I have other gravel tracks which I would like to explore, and like I said, there is the 450km between fuelstops track my mate went on to Alice,
Which I would love to do one day. Then I have a few tracks
that I would like to try, where I never been, I am no expert on tecnical stuff, more a wannabe. Truth is, I only held a open license for 2 years now!
I take my wife with me 99% of the time. No kids yet, dont know where they are!
I am 6'3 .
Hello Barkingllizard, how are you?
Thank you for all the responses, this is a great forum! Hard work tapping on a smart phone! Is there a App yet?
Over here I find the whole BMW thing a load of crap to be honest, the bike press rave about them (probably because they spend a fortune in advertising) and I was misled into thinking these were simple machines that although not particularly fast are robust, cheap to run and would do loads of miles with no problems.
My local dealer even fed me a load of lies telling me service prices where about 40% lower than in reality, this kind of pissed me off a bit when I dropped in to book up the 12k service I had been told would cost around £220 to be informed it was actually about £400, and they did not give a stuff the salesman had misled me, bastards!
Anyway, what went wrong, my bike was two years old when I bought it late 2010 with 6k (Miles) on it, it ran OK until 12k when I had it serviced prior to an Alps trip, during that trip it blew both fork seals, warped both front discs and developed a fault where the clutch would lose pressure on long runs to the point where you could not change gear - but was OK if you pumped it so no problem on twisty roads and workable by pulling it in every now and then on the motorway - but I did fear it would fail during the trip as it started on the way to the crossing to France.
As the bike was under the BMW used warranty they offered to fix the clutch and forks but not the discs claiming it was "fair wear and tear", I had to argue that the discs should outlast the pads (which were only half worn) and suggested that the dealer try a goodwil claim with BMW - this worked, but again I was dissapointed the dealer did not offer this up, especially as he gets paid either way.
This was all done at about 14k miles, I had also by now learned of all the electrical and final drive problems the bikes suffer, although I did some research, but the dealer (again) told me all the FD issues were resolved by the MU (Model Upgrade) bikes of 2008 - but on the UKGSER forum there are many owners of 2008 / 2009 / 2010 and even 2011 models with FD failures at under 10k miles, so with this in mind I paid £325 for the extended warranty.
at 18k I had the next service and it turned out a gearbox seal was leaking, this cost £98 (the warranty excess is £100) I then went away on the bike for a 1500 mile trip and a heated grip blew (not covered by warranty - it turns out most electrical sensors and smaller items are not covered) so I had to spend another £78, the ABS fault light also came on for most the Journey home, but went out about 3 miles from the delaer when I took the bike there, they refused to even plug it into the diagnostics to check it and told me to come back if it did it again.
That trip was the last straw, I had spent £770 in under 2k / 3 months on warranty / servicing / repairs and had no faith that the bike would go far without prblems, I would certainly not trust it for a long tour.
I had recently tested and really fancied the latest Twin Cam GS, prefering it to the Tenere, but with the latest models there have been a lot of cam sensor issues (some bikes were re-called) the Fuel Pump Controllers are the same as earlier bikes (most people carry a spare, not expensive but I am loathed to have to carry spares for a modern vehicle) the fuel gauge senders fail all the time (lots of 2010 onwards owners are on second / third / fourth one - OK when under warranty but will add up if your changing them every few months at your own expense) and a number of these latest bikes have needed final drive assemblies with under 10k on the clock (Over £1,000 a time)
Mine never did any of the expensive bits that can fail (Clutch / Dropped RHS exhaust Valve / Final Drive meltdown) but I felt if I kept it much longer it might, and despite wanting a newer bike I do not like feeling forced to change a machine every 2-3 years or at 20k miles, or to have to extend the warranty to insure against major failures.
I have no plans to carry spares around for my Tenere, or to extend the warranty and neither do I feel the need to keep the miles down, or to plan to flog it within a few years before it starts costing a fortune. Another bonus is I can do most servicing myself without specialist tools and BMW diagnostic equipment.
The BMW is an amazingly well conceived machine, unfortunately it is built by monkeys with the cheapest crap components money can be saved on. And don't get me started on the Arrogant lying b******s who work in the dealerships.
In contrast I got a great deal on the Yamaha, free delivery, they held the bike for three weeks as I was about to get married and go on Honeymoon, it was delivered the day after I got home, on time with the extra's I wanted fitted FOC, and when I had the 600 mile service they threw in the parts (in the UK labour is free, but parts chargeable) When I went to pay they just said "It's on us for buying a bike from us".
The Yam is the same price as a stock GSA over here, the total cost of ownership will be much lower, and with a few mods the Tenere really rocks, I will keep adding to mine with an eye to World Crosser styling.
The luggage is on, suspension is next and then maybe an ECU flash - as a bike I can keep for years I don't mind spending to make it special ::008::
My local dealer even fed me a load of lies telling me service prices where about 40% lower than in reality, this kind of pissed me off a bit when I dropped in to book up the 12k service I had been told would cost around £220 to be informed it was actually about £400, and they did not give a stuff the salesman had misled me, bastards!
Anyway, what went wrong, my bike was two years old when I bought it late 2010 with 6k (Miles) on it, it ran OK until 12k when I had it serviced prior to an Alps trip, during that trip it blew both fork seals, warped both front discs and developed a fault where the clutch would lose pressure on long runs to the point where you could not change gear - but was OK if you pumped it so no problem on twisty roads and workable by pulling it in every now and then on the motorway - but I did fear it would fail during the trip as it started on the way to the crossing to France.
As the bike was under the BMW used warranty they offered to fix the clutch and forks but not the discs claiming it was "fair wear and tear", I had to argue that the discs should outlast the pads (which were only half worn) and suggested that the dealer try a goodwil claim with BMW - this worked, but again I was dissapointed the dealer did not offer this up, especially as he gets paid either way.
This was all done at about 14k miles, I had also by now learned of all the electrical and final drive problems the bikes suffer, although I did some research, but the dealer (again) told me all the FD issues were resolved by the MU (Model Upgrade) bikes of 2008 - but on the UKGSER forum there are many owners of 2008 / 2009 / 2010 and even 2011 models with FD failures at under 10k miles, so with this in mind I paid £325 for the extended warranty.
at 18k I had the next service and it turned out a gearbox seal was leaking, this cost £98 (the warranty excess is £100) I then went away on the bike for a 1500 mile trip and a heated grip blew (not covered by warranty - it turns out most electrical sensors and smaller items are not covered) so I had to spend another £78, the ABS fault light also came on for most the Journey home, but went out about 3 miles from the delaer when I took the bike there, they refused to even plug it into the diagnostics to check it and told me to come back if it did it again.
That trip was the last straw, I had spent £770 in under 2k / 3 months on warranty / servicing / repairs and had no faith that the bike would go far without prblems, I would certainly not trust it for a long tour.
I had recently tested and really fancied the latest Twin Cam GS, prefering it to the Tenere, but with the latest models there have been a lot of cam sensor issues (some bikes were re-called) the Fuel Pump Controllers are the same as earlier bikes (most people carry a spare, not expensive but I am loathed to have to carry spares for a modern vehicle) the fuel gauge senders fail all the time (lots of 2010 onwards owners are on second / third / fourth one - OK when under warranty but will add up if your changing them every few months at your own expense) and a number of these latest bikes have needed final drive assemblies with under 10k on the clock (Over £1,000 a time)
Mine never did any of the expensive bits that can fail (Clutch / Dropped RHS exhaust Valve / Final Drive meltdown) but I felt if I kept it much longer it might, and despite wanting a newer bike I do not like feeling forced to change a machine every 2-3 years or at 20k miles, or to have to extend the warranty to insure against major failures.
I have no plans to carry spares around for my Tenere, or to extend the warranty and neither do I feel the need to keep the miles down, or to plan to flog it within a few years before it starts costing a fortune. Another bonus is I can do most servicing myself without specialist tools and BMW diagnostic equipment.
The BMW is an amazingly well conceived machine, unfortunately it is built by monkeys with the cheapest crap components money can be saved on. And don't get me started on the Arrogant lying b******s who work in the dealerships.
In contrast I got a great deal on the Yamaha, free delivery, they held the bike for three weeks as I was about to get married and go on Honeymoon, it was delivered the day after I got home, on time with the extra's I wanted fitted FOC, and when I had the 600 mile service they threw in the parts (in the UK labour is free, but parts chargeable) When I went to pay they just said "It's on us for buying a bike from us".
The Yam is the same price as a stock GSA over here, the total cost of ownership will be much lower, and with a few mods the Tenere really rocks, I will keep adding to mine with an eye to World Crosser styling.
The luggage is on, suspension is next and then maybe an ECU flash - as a bike I can keep for years I don't mind spending to make it special ::008::
MikeBear
New Member
Well said, Rasher
What can I say? Thanks Rasher! That was a very thorough report. I wonder when my mates will blow up..
It is a concern when you hear all these things.
My problem is i still have a hangover from Charlie and Ewen. I just come off a week of watcing all their dvd's ::002::
It is a concern when you hear all these things.
My problem is i still have a hangover from Charlie and Ewen. I just come off a week of watcing all their dvd's ::002::
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Welcome on, Rudolph from Australia. I think you best bet is to ride one. You will be doing yourself a disservice if you buy another bike without trying the Tenere. Seriously. Let us know what you decide, and good luck with it. ::004:: R. ::022::
OK Now try Nick Sanders and Davide Biga.Rudolph said:
Two of them did huge trips on their own, without backup vehicles and film crews and hair stylists or breakdowns.
Two of them didn't. 1 of them doesn't have a DVD for sale. (YET)
Two of them don't get repeats on TV every month.
That's your homework for the week. ::001::
Nick Sanders - The Incredible Ride 2011
Davide biga
Cheers
Graham
Rang up a dealership in perth today, who advertise they want second hand bikes. I told him all about my 660 tenere and he ask me every little detail. Wanted to know howmuch I want, said 8 or 9 k. Themn he said, do you want to sell it or know what its worth?? I said well, i thought one should know what its worth first!! He said , well He has to talk to his boss and do a lot of research and work to come up with a fogure, but if I dont want to sell it, he wont bother.. I thought huh??? I said, dont blo...y bother. What a tool, id love to name them on here, but I will spare them. I thought he got paid to do that... Alot of people complain about customer service in wa.
Its like the time i wanted to take a S 10 for a test ride, the bloke said , you would have to sign up for the bike first, I wanted to tell him to go see someone. This was a different mob. Anyway, i just got a load off. Thanks.
Its like the time i wanted to take a S 10 for a test ride, the bloke said , you would have to sign up for the bike first, I wanted to tell him to go see someone. This was a different mob. Anyway, i just got a load off. Thanks.
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That's perfectly OK. It gets F'n irritating sometimes. All we have to do out east is sign up for an insurance form with 5K excess.
Might as well buy the bike and start farkling if you come off. ::024::
That's perfectly OK. It gets F'n irritating sometimes. All we have to do out east is sign up for an insurance form with 5K excess.
Might as well buy the bike and start farkling if you come off. ::024::
MikeBear
New Member
Can you find a place to rent one for a couple of days?
illustratedman
New Member
I'd echo rashers post about the gs, i ran an 1150 for 7 years and it was the best bike i've had but would not touch a 1200 with a barge pole. Check out ukgser for a bit of research of faults, just dont dare critiscise em while there though, surely no bike could ever be better than a gs could it? ::008::