Lithium Battery

[Kevhunts]

Has anyone replaced the stock Yuasa with a lithium battery and if so, do you have a recommendation? Given the longer expected life of the lithium battery and slower self discharge rate, it seems like a good choice for this area (CO) where I cannot always ride every month.

I ran a Scorpion Lithium in my 2012 for a couple of years, transferred it to my 2017 bike and it's still going strong.

https://www.batterystuff.com/batteries/lithium-iron-batteries/sstz14s-fp.html

 

[Grumpy]

I fitted mine about 6 months ago, about 6 months after I put one in my Yamaha XJR. I had to replace my battery optimiser for one specific for L-ion and I swap it between the two. I like having the built-in LED charge indicator, although this is only easly visible on my XJR. Till now I have had no problems to mention.

 

[Nikolajsen]

Re: HARD START

::012::
I'm beginning to think that a Litium-ion battery is perfect for the S10...
I know you can't crank the starter for as long, but who needs that, when the S10 fires up immediately, because you have ALL the battery power, even when the bike have not been charged/started for many days.

Have anyone a clue about if a Litium-ion battery, can handle the way of being charged?
I think I have read that someone here, have put on a Litium-ion battery on th S10...oh well....will do a seach

 

[Checkswrecks]

Re: HARD START

::012::
I'm beginning to think that a Litium-ion battery is perfect for the S10...
I know you can't crank the starter for as long, but who needs that, when the S10 fires up immediately, because you have ALL the battery power, even when the bike have not been charged/started for many days.

Have anyone a clue about if a Litium-ion battery, can handle the way of being charged?
I think I have read that someone here, have put on a Litium-ion battery on th S10...oh well....will do a seach

Move the above post to the thread about lithium batteries, before the HARD START thread became yet another debate about them.


Before promoting or buying a lithium battery, read what hobdayd and I wrote on the previous page of THIS thread. There are serious arguments against using a lithium battery, at least in this bike when the 14S AGM is a proven winner.

 

[Nikolajsen]

Re: HARD START

Move the above post to the thread about lithium batteries, before the HARD START thread became yet another debate about them.


Before promoting or buying a lithium battery, read what hobdayd and I wrote on the previous page of THIS thread. There are serious arguments against using a lithium battery, at least in this bike when the 14S AGM is a proven winner.

Well, seems like hard start and battery are close connected
(did find this tread, and have read it)

Sorry I will try to behave....but

 

[Kabish]

New Battery

So I have 2015 Super Tenere that I bought new towards the end of 2015. The bike has always sounded like it struggled to turn over, in fact the very first thing out of the service manager's mouth was that this bike turned over slow. In the last couple weeks I've noticed the bike turning over a little slower and I've had it die mid ride and actually REALLY struggle to start back up. At one point it died on the freeway and I honestly did not think it was going to turn over. Well Thursday last week I went to go start her up and it just turned over and never caught. Felt like if I had 1 more amp it would catch, eventually it just puttered out. Given the fact I've felt like the battery has been having issues I went ahead and ordered a new battery.

One thing I have to say about Revzilla, AMAZING!! Priced matched in an hour, ordered around 12 PST Thursday, was shipped by 1600 and was delivered Friday the NEXT DAY!! ??? I couldn't believe it..

https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/antigravity-atz-10-restart-360ca-lithium-ion-battery Is the battery I got. The OEM is a 210CA where this battery is 360CA and is a Lithium battery. Holy smokes does the bike start so much better now, it actually starts like every other bike I've ridden, not to mention the lithium battery is SUPER light.

Just wanted to share my experience ::001:: your ride!!

 

[Don in Lodi]

Re: New Battery

Have you had it installed long enough to see if the random stall has been fixed?

 

[Kabish]

Re: New Battery

I have not, just installed it tonight and went for a short ride. The random stall was pretty random, happened maybe 2 or 3 times a month. Seemed to always happen on the freeway on ramp, although I did have it stall a few times on side roads.

I'm hoping it will, if nothing else at least it will start quickly now Got the battery for $178 which I thought was a good deal for that type of battery.

 

[Juan]

Re: New Battery

I've had it die mid ride

Surely it's not a battery problem if it died in mid ride. Could be a battery terminal connection problem, but not the battery itself unless, of course, there's a problem with the charging system, like the regulator/rectifier.

 

[WJBertrand]

Re: New Battery

I've been looking at the same battery. Please keep us updated to its performance. Where mine struggles is when I've clumsily stalled it at a stop. It's never just spontaneously died whilst riding. The OEM battery does not seem to have enough oommphh to restart the bike with the clutch pulled in and the bike in 1st gear. Twice, I've had to put it into neutral to get it to turn over fast enough to start - much to impatience of the traffic behind me at the stop! This has happened with a fully warmed engine as well as a partially warmed engine. I've bled and adjusted the clutch lever, and there's no obvious tendency for the bike to try and creep forward with the transmission in gear and the clutch pulled in, so clutch drag does not seem excessive. Seems like just the slight viscous drag of the wet clutch is enough to slow turnover RPM to the point the OEM battery struggles to re-start the bike.

 

[ace50]

Re: New Battery

I've been looking at the same battery. Please keep us updated to its performance. Where mine struggles is when I've clumsily stalled it at a stop. It's never just spontaneously died whilst riding. The OEM battery does not seem to have enough oommphh to restart the bike with the clutch pulled in and the bike in 1st gear. Twice, I've had to put it into neutral to get it to turn over fast enough to start - much to impatience of the traffic behind me at the stop! This has happened with a fully warmed engine as well as a partially warmed engine. I've bled and adjusted the clutch lever, and there's no obvious tendency for the bike to try and creep forward with the transmission in gear and the clutch pulled in, so clutch drag does not seem excessive. Seems like just the slight viscous drag of the wet clutch is enough to slow turnover RPM to the point the OEM battery struggles to re-start the bike.

Every bike I've had is slighty harder to turn over with it in gear with the clutch in. Nature of the beast.

 

[WJBertrand]

Re: New Battery

Every bike I've had is slighty harder to turn over with it in gear with the clutch in. Nature of the beast.

True, but im my previous bikes it was never to the point that I had any trouble re-starting like I've experienced with the Tenere.

 

[whisperquiet]

Re: New Battery

I replaced the stock YTZ12S in my 2013 S10 with the larger capacity YTZ14S Motocross battery (made by Yuasa) and starting was much quicker and energetic. The dimensions are the same with the 14S being about one pound heavier. My 2015 S10 will get the same heavier battery when the time comes.

https://www.batterystuff.com/powersports-batteries/YTZ14S.html?gclid=CjwKCAiA7JfSBRBrEiwA1DWSGwUd0FteOcUkKXNbHpaAWXt7lrEOz8n6H9nStDblSwjfB8RdtCVYohoCrDYQAvD_BwE

And, I also own the quickest starting motorcycle I have ever owned......my 2017 Kawasaki Versys-X 300---starts instantly and you can hardly get your finger off the start button fast enough. The Super Tenere not so much.

 

[OldRider]

Re: New Battery

When my battery started getting weak, the bike was slow to start and it would do all kinds of weird things, Idle high and then idle down too low, die at stop lights and be hard to get started back. All kinds of strange behavior. I put in a 360CCA battery and all the problems disappeared. When the battery is low or weak, the starting system takes all the available voltage away from the system and the ECU just can't get it's act together. Anyway that's my opinion.

 

[RonH]

Re: New Battery

When my battery went weak on my 2012, I was stuck at high idle for several miles after starting while cold, and of course slow cranking, and had two of the hard starts that were a pain. I was surprised replacing the battery fixed the high idle problem. This lithium battery looks really good, but they rate in CA, not CCA, so the original battery is 210 CCA, where this Lithium is 360 CA. Not the same unit of measurement for comparing side by side, but the original YTZ12S would probably rate about 300 CA, so in real life this battery is not the 150A upgrade, but it looks good for sure..

 

[Sierra1]

Re: New Battery

Every bike I've had is slighty harder to turn over with it in gear with the clutch in. Nature of the beast.

There's something about the Tenere; it's also MUCH harder to push, with the engine off, in gear, with the clutch pulled in. I'm not a weakling, but I will ALWAYS put it in neutral if I'm going to push it around. The only other big twin that I've had was the Beemer....and it wasn't like this. And the Beemer had two batteries, so it never had any starting problems....unless I left the key on. :

 

[OldRider]

Re: New Battery

When my battery went weak on my 2012, I was stuck at high idle for several miles after starting while cold, and of course slow cranking, and had two of the hard starts that were a pain. I was surprised replacing the battery fixed the high idle problem. This lithium battery looks really good, but they rate in CA, not CCA, so the original battery is 210 CCA, where this Lithium is 360 CA. Not the same unit of measurement for comparing side by side, but the original YTZ12S would probably rate about 300 CA, so in real life this battery is not the 150A upgrade, but it looks good for sure..

I went with the WPS Featherweight battery rated at 360 "CCA"

 

[Kabish]

Re: New Battery

Ya the battery I got is 360CA at 32 degrees and is 2.3lbs, quite a bit difference in weight from OEM. I live in San Diego so I really have no issues with it being at 32 degrees, not to mention at 32 degrees I'd probably not ride anyways Everything seems to be working fine, although my horn sounds all sorts of jacked up.

 

[Don in Lodi]

Re: New Battery

Ya the battery I got is 360CA at 32 degrees and is 2.3lbs, quite a bit difference in weight from OEM. I live in San Diego so I really have no issues with it being at 32 degrees, not to mention at 32 degrees I'd probably not ride anyways Everything seems to be working fine, although my horn sounds all sorts of jacked up.

Horn jacked up good or bad?

 

[Checkswrecks]

Merged lithium battery threads. fwiw, when the OEM battery in the Tenere died I replaced it with the bigger capacity "14" and intentionally stayed away from a lithium battery.


Before going to a lithium battery, I'd strongly suggest reading through this thread and especially the posts from hobdayd and myself.