richarddacat
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good read.
Life! (corona virus, non informative, non hysterical post)
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good read.
Madhatter
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Eric, the math is cases divided by population , say its a million infected that's still 6.999 billion not. and I'm not saying this is not serious ,if one gets it its serious , we all can agree on that. there is over a million people in travis county (Austin Texas ) 24 is the latest count of confirmed cases... I will be cautious not panicky. no one is worried about the million who will die from mosquito born illness this year.
Madhatter
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and the list of killers is long and storied , live life , be smart , and for me it's prayer. just a side thought from me it seems celebrity infections are high , well they can afford to travel places or hang out with people who do and have so I believe they are more exposed than us normal people. just a thought.
Or they got tested.
SilverBullet
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It is also believed to be transmitted by contact and reports of staying contagious from days to weeks depending on the surface.
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With New York, Illinois, and California being in lock down, are you allowed to ride. Obviously to a grocery store or pharmacy, but just out of town for country twisties?
To me i would argue it is allowed exercise and I wouldn’t interact with anybody using a self service gas pump and possible drive through food.
So anybody in a shelter in place state know what they are allowing?
To me i would argue it is allowed exercise and I wouldn’t interact with anybody using a self service gas pump and possible drive through food.
So anybody in a shelter in place state know what they are allowing?
SilverBullet
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Celebrities, athletes, politicians and the very wealthy are the only ones for which tests have been available to thus far, besides health care workers (I'm hoping on that one, not sure). See the irony in your statement above now. Math calculations don't lie but if you don't have true data the calculations are meaningless.
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One reason for the increased known/confirmed cases, is that more test kits are available now than in the beginning. That being said, there are WAY too many people that are not taking precautions, and spreading the bug. My opinion on why the US has more 20-40 yr old cases, is that our sedentary US lifestyle is coming back to bite us in the ass. We're our own worst enemy.
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ballisticexchris
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I hated shopping and getting my car smogged but it was a necessity. For banking most is online. At the drive through I used alcohol wipes to wipe everything I touched and then a fresh one on my hands. Right now I'm pretty much set with fuel and supplies to survive for at least a month. I'm rationing food and supplies to the point of not satisfying hunger. Just getting the minimum required calories to survive healthy. I'm thinking like I did in the CB,s when we did field training for weeks at a time. If we have a power outage I'm almost ready. No generator but have access to one or can purchase if I have to.
At this point even riding is very selfish and risking the spread of COVID- 19 unless you are fully self contained. Stopping for fuel, food, or anywhere that is populated is high risk. Right now the only really safe riding is off grid in the desert. Bring your own supplies.
CA DMV offices are open to appointment only and are limited to the 6' social distancing rule. At this time all CA DMV appointments are fully booked and they are not accepting any online appointments at this time.
Death Valley is open but all park services and campgrounds are shut down. Gas at Stovepipe Wells and Furnace Creek requires a call to make sure they are open.
Yosemite is fully closed. No entry at any gate.
My city is like a ghost town. Pretty empty on the streets. All my daily workouts are in the garage. My wife and I are only taking walks in unpopulated areas.
At this point even riding is very selfish and risking the spread of COVID- 19 unless you are fully self contained. Stopping for fuel, food, or anywhere that is populated is high risk. Right now the only really safe riding is off grid in the desert. Bring your own supplies.
CA DMV offices are open to appointment only and are limited to the 6' social distancing rule. At this time all CA DMV appointments are fully booked and they are not accepting any online appointments at this time.
Death Valley is open but all park services and campgrounds are shut down. Gas at Stovepipe Wells and Furnace Creek requires a call to make sure they are open.
Yosemite is fully closed. No entry at any gate.
My city is like a ghost town. Pretty empty on the streets. All my daily workouts are in the garage. My wife and I are only taking walks in unpopulated areas.
2talltoo
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It is supposed to hit 65 in Denver on Tuesday and I am packing a lunch and headed to the mountains. With the fitness clubs being closed the streets and paths are like the "walking alive". How in the world can a MC ride be anything but safer.
I have a grandchild in daycare but may be displaced as her DC center has been designated for healthcare professionals if we go on lock down. Another case where healthcare people bear more risk.
Hats off to them......front line heroes.
I have a grandchild in daycare but may be displaced as her DC center has been designated for healthcare professionals if we go on lock down. Another case where healthcare people bear more risk.
Hats off to them......front line heroes.
blitz11
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I just saw this. Makes sense to me, and why this is really dangerous. You can draw your own conclusion. Please excuse the formatting below.
I've been able to social distance for the past 10 days, but Montana State starts up Monday. All classes are online with a few exceptions. I am in the "few exceptions" category. The students have to build their projects, and as such, we're keeping the machine shop and build elements open, and meetings with students will continue as they build (for now).
It will be interesting. I am 59, so my (apparent) death rate from this is ~3%. if 1/2 the population contracts the virus, that puts my chance of dying at 1.5%. I am a motorcycle rider, so i understand risk, but when you do the math, this isn't pretty.
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Source: https://wsau.com/blogs/tom-kings-blog/54/its-not-just-the-flu-part-2/
Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand...
It has to do with RNA sequencing.... I.e. genetics.
Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.
Novel viruses, come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.
Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, that's what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be..
H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. Its RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.
Fast forward.
Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animals to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”
This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.
And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..
That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.
We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.
Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...
And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.
#flattenthecurve. Stay home folks... and share this to those that just are not catching on.
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I've been able to social distance for the past 10 days, but Montana State starts up Monday. All classes are online with a few exceptions. I am in the "few exceptions" category. The students have to build their projects, and as such, we're keeping the machine shop and build elements open, and meetings with students will continue as they build (for now).
It will be interesting. I am 59, so my (apparent) death rate from this is ~3%. if 1/2 the population contracts the virus, that puts my chance of dying at 1.5%. I am a motorcycle rider, so i understand risk, but when you do the math, this isn't pretty.
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Source: https://wsau.com/blogs/tom-kings-blog/54/its-not-just-the-flu-part-2/
Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand...
It has to do with RNA sequencing.... I.e. genetics.
Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.
Novel viruses, come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.
Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, that's what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be..
H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. Its RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.
Fast forward.
Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animals to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”
This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.
And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..
That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.
We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.
Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...
And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.
#flattenthecurve. Stay home folks... and share this to those that just are not catching on.
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ballisticexchris
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By stopping for fuel/food. At the pumps you have to ensure there is not someone on the other side of the pump fueling (It is less than 6'). Someone handing you food is a great risk as well. At the counter you are less than 6' at the store. The Only way riding is safer is by being remote and not around anyone at all. This includes sitting next to someone at a red light. You have to be in the middle of the lane which is unsafe at a stop.
Please everyone heed the President and health officials advice and stay at home or use the 6' rule at work. When shopping or having to do anything important that requires to be around humans, use the 6' rule and keep your hands away from your face.
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The surface transmission rate is believed to be really, really low. Not because of how long it lives on surfaces like plastic, cardboard and Stainless steel, but because they are finding that the amount that stays viable is really small. Most of it dies off quickly. what is lingering in most cases would be very unlikely, (not impossible), to cause illness. The hand washing and other normal precautions handle a lot of the small amounts left, IMHO.
In terms of riding, I'm not really going to worry about cars in the next lane, 90% here will have the windows up anyway. I'm not riding as much as I was normally, and if the weather co-operates I'll still go for a ride. But I won't be sitting down at a restaurant, (all inside dining closed in Tupelo right now for restaurants and bars), but I probably will eat out if I'm on a day ride.
I have enough mandatory people interaction, not going to add to it without a real good reason. MY opinion is that this is a manufactured virus. 14 day gestation allowing increased transmission before becoming apparent, enhanced viability with the use of ibuprofen which is the normal go-to for fighting a fever, and now, it's already mutated? Not being paranoid, just thinking out loud.
2talltoo
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Very interesting. I've been telling my wife, the mortality rate is a much more meaningful metric than number of cases.
good read.
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Madhatter
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I will be riding today , the rain has gone (got to believe that rain will wash down some surfaces ) . while freedom still reigns !
Madhatter
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lol, that's how to end a story....
2talltoo
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We need the Dixie Chicks to apologize for our current representation in the White House, until then OX-34, I'm sorry. However poorly you view the average IQ of Americans the vast majority are listening to health professional on a health threat.