moto.monk
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This is my first post on this thread. This reminds of a quote: If you marry you will regret it, if you don't marry you will regret it. Whether you do marry or don't you will regret it.
Life! (corona virus, non informative, non hysterical post)
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Cycledude
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someone announced quite a while ago that we have turned the corner on Corona
moto.monk
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Actually said by Soren Kierkegaard much earlier in 1855. Emotions matter however when confronted with reality they matter less. Not kierkegaard but my own words.
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ballisticexchris
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"He who cures a disease may be the skillfullest, but he that prevents it is the safest physician."
Cantab
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Too many TV networks in your country and all trying to get you to watch them.... so the BS starts flowing and they just try and out do each other, small local stories get 'blown' into full on 'news worthy' (?) items, dont know how many times ive seen reporters in hurricanes 'fighting' the strong winds reporting such only to have a random walk behind them thinking wtf is he on about..
NZ has only a few networks TVNZ (Govt) and TV3 (CanWest yep Canadian owned) indigenous tv (Maori TV) sure we can go online and get Al Jazeera BBC etc
Dunno about getting the first lot of vaccines that come up , maybe a 2 gen after a year to if that first lot hasnt given any negative side affects then i'll see, with any luck if we can keep on managing covid down here and you lot sort ya shite out we may not need it.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
And, was part of the rest of your quote above.
You're a sly one. . . . gonna have to keep an eye on you. The force is strong in this one it is.
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RonH
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There is no hope. I quit watching the news in march, quit watching any new TV years ago. Try my best not to care or otherwise think about the crap, but it's here, and most likely for the next few hundred years. We will never be without masks again I'm afraid. I live with it and wake up every day til now, but who cares really? What quality of life is left if you can't go out in the yard without a mask, can never do anything again for all intents and purposes? All you can do is put your iddiot mask on, go out for another day, repeat for 5400yrs. I don't care if the stats say 1 person got it yesterday or 1 billion, either way there is no hope.
Cantab
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Mate hang in there it will reduce and be managed to a level that things will carry on almost the same.
Have a virtual Beer, Whiskey, Coffee, Water on me
RIVA
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If you worry, you die. If you don't worry, you die. So Why worry.
moto.monk
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It's not the point of quote buts it's all good
Checkswrecks
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We made it through the Great Toilet Paper Shortage of 2020 and most people hardly remember it.
"This too shall pass" - Persian origin
The same can also be said for a bad meal.
So, maybe the local media was correct for a change. Apparently, if Pfizer is granted emergency authorization on 10DEC20, they can begin inoculation on 11DEC20. Restricted distribution at first to the "at risk" population. Finally, some good new. Hope it's not fake.
deftoner
On a bad day just remember: 1st Down,all rest Up.
I mean, me, and other people having their own opinion based on the very shady information the are thrown to us on media, its ok. But there are a lot of people that are supposedly professionals that must take the correct decisions that looks like they are even worst informed than us.
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ballisticexchris
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I don't think it is fake news this time Robert. However it is a big "IF". I am of the belief that this vaccine has been ready for months. The approvals and distribution has been held up by powerful judges and politicians backed by the antivac crowd.
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There is also a big problem with the distribution logistics. Apparently the doses need to be kept very cold which means lots of refrigerated lorries.
Latest vaccine success is good news but high price may restrict access
Moderna results show Pfizer success was not flash in the pan, but poorer countries may have to look elsewhere
www.theguardian.com
Checkswrecks
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The problem for the professionals has not been that "they are even worst informed than us" it is that they've been inundated with not just companies lobbying but entire nations pushing that they have the best thing going, data coming at them from all sides which is filled with "spin" on test results, the overwhelming logistics being worked on, etc. The press just has to research and write about what they see, while the professionals have to actually make CORRECT decisions.
Ummm - No. There've been experimental vaccines developed for a couple/few months, because the basic "how to" is not that hard. HOWEVER . . . They were untested outside of Russian prisons (get years off a sentence for participating), Chinese military (no choice and for "good of the people"), and at least one African country. Definitely NOT ready for prime time. On top of that, even those hadn't had the problems figured out on how to scale up to tens of millions of doses, because as my daughter likes to say "the recipe changes."
Scaling up is also the current barrier for the next few months. The reason Pfizer, AZ, and Moderna are all hitting the news at the same time is that the development process has been so similar for everybody. There are some other companies waiting for initial test results to announce their versions too, but these three biggies had the money to create and then do basic tests on more variants.
Even though Pfizer took this all on without the Govt strings or involvement this is where I personally think we need to give credit to the outgoing administration (rare for me) for putting together Operation Warpspeed and credit to Congress (also rare for me) for coming together to fund it. My daughter related that they started with well over 1,000 variations to get just the few which were deemed good enough to test, then just initial testing knocked out most of those. Each single variant takes hundreds of thousands of dollars just to begin the process. If you really want to see what a horse race this has been and how to know these have not been available for a while like you think, look at the stock prices on the smaller companies. Investors were bidding them up and now that the winners are becoming clear, a lot of those other company stock values are falling.
The logistics are still a nightmare because the goal is roughly 70+% of the population should be inoculated twice and I continue to hear that the doses are different for the different visits. That takes massive distribution and one heck of a big database, which will drive those worried about securing their personal info nuts. Trying to keep the development going PLUS take on these logistics is why the incoming administration has been till recently trying SO hard to get access to the basic data and plans. If maybe somehow possibly Trump was able to overturn the election, being open with this would have done no harm, and presuming that Biden is sworn in then to not have the information would have hurt the country by delaying the end of COVID19. Fortunately, it sounds like this is now being resolved.
The big news to me is that the Astra Zeneca vaccine doesn't need to be kept as cold, which massively eases the distribution logistics.