RIVA
Active Member
If you worry, you die. If you don't worry, you die. So Why worry.
Life! (corona virus, non informative, non hysterical post)
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moto.monk
Well-Known Member
It's not the point of quote buts it's all good
We made it through the Great Toilet Paper Shortage of 2020 and most people hardly remember it.
"This too shall pass" - Persian origin
The same can also be said for a bad meal.
So, maybe the local media was correct for a change. Apparently, if Pfizer is granted emergency authorization on 10DEC20, they can begin inoculation on 11DEC20. Restricted distribution at first to the "at risk" population. Finally, some good new. Hope it's not fake.
deftoner
On a bad day just remember: 1st Down,all rest Up.
I mean, me, and other people having their own opinion based on the very shady information the are thrown to us on media, its ok. But there are a lot of people that are supposedly professionals that must take the correct decisions that looks like they are even worst informed than us.
ballisticexchris
Chris Moritz
I don't think it is fake news this time Robert. However it is a big "IF". I am of the belief that this vaccine has been ready for months. The approvals and distribution has been held up by powerful judges and politicians backed by the antivac crowd.
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There is also a big problem with the distribution logistics. Apparently the doses need to be kept very cold which means lots of refrigerated lorries.
Latest vaccine success is good news but high price may restrict access
Moderna results show Pfizer success was not flash in the pan, but poorer countries may have to look elsewhere
www.theguardian.com
The problem for the professionals has not been that "they are even worst informed than us" it is that they've been inundated with not just companies lobbying but entire nations pushing that they have the best thing going, data coming at them from all sides which is filled with "spin" on test results, the overwhelming logistics being worked on, etc. The press just has to research and write about what they see, while the professionals have to actually make CORRECT decisions.
Ummm - No. There've been experimental vaccines developed for a couple/few months, because the basic "how to" is not that hard. HOWEVER . . . They were untested outside of Russian prisons (get years off a sentence for participating), Chinese military (no choice and for "good of the people"), and at least one African country. Definitely NOT ready for prime time. On top of that, even those hadn't had the problems figured out on how to scale up to tens of millions of doses, because as my daughter likes to say "the recipe changes."
Scaling up is also the current barrier for the next few months. The reason Pfizer, AZ, and Moderna are all hitting the news at the same time is that the development process has been so similar for everybody. There are some other companies waiting for initial test results to announce their versions too, but these three biggies had the money to create and then do basic tests on more variants.
Even though Pfizer took this all on without the Govt strings or involvement this is where I personally think we need to give credit to the outgoing administration (rare for me) for putting together Operation Warpspeed and credit to Congress (also rare for me) for coming together to fund it. My daughter related that they started with well over 1,000 variations to get just the few which were deemed good enough to test, then just initial testing knocked out most of those. Each single variant takes hundreds of thousands of dollars just to begin the process. If you really want to see what a horse race this has been and how to know these have not been available for a while like you think, look at the stock prices on the smaller companies. Investors were bidding them up and now that the winners are becoming clear, a lot of those other company stock values are falling.
The logistics are still a nightmare because the goal is roughly 70+% of the population should be inoculated twice and I continue to hear that the doses are different for the different visits. That takes massive distribution and one heck of a big database, which will drive those worried about securing their personal info nuts. Trying to keep the development going PLUS take on these logistics is why the incoming administration has been till recently trying SO hard to get access to the basic data and plans. If maybe somehow possibly Trump was able to overturn the election, being open with this would have done no harm, and presuming that Biden is sworn in then to not have the information would have hurt the country by delaying the end of COVID19. Fortunately, it sounds like this is now being resolved.
The big news to me is that the Astra Zeneca vaccine doesn't need to be kept as cold, which massively eases the distribution logistics.
deftoner
On a bad day just remember: 1st Down,all rest Up.
Thats totally correct.
My sister is biotechnician, she is part of the team of 6 womens and 1 men developing the vaccine, working for the Argentinian government. Her salary is barely up from a basic secretary, she still working for the government because she feels like she is making a difference. She is risking her life working directly with the high concentrations of the virus. She buy her own masks since the government does not provide enough or simple they provide cheap chinese masks that some shady company sold very expensive for the government. 2 month ago she almost lost a thumb since she was taking some samples out of nitrogen and the special globes used for that were broken.
My point in all of this, there are this small people that are giving everything every day, in exchange of nothing, no money or fame, nothing at all. and in other hand you have people uninformed, arrogants saying that is just a flue, and people that wont wear a f. mask in close spaces because they feel that their freedom right is being violated.
When the vaccine is real ready for public (despite that those company are jumping steps that are based in time.... that they simple cant speed up that)... the vaccination process will be terrible hard. Go talk to those people that wont use a simple mask in closed places, to go and get a vaccine.
All this pandemic thing, once again tested as as "human" and for me proved that at some point the planet heart will get ride of us and life will continue without us.
ballisticexchris
Chris Moritz
In the US the logistics were already in place months ago. These were made by our Commander In Chief and right down the military chain of command to the logistics officers in each branch. Secretary of the Navy Kenneth Braithwaite and Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Michael Gilday are ready to ramrod the distribution and have personal, planes, containers, and every imaginable thing ready to go.
Unfortunately none of it has met approval of the United States Congress or the judicial review process. In fact there is a large movement with big money to prevent safeguarding us.
More news from our local idiot Health officer Barbara Ferrer. She has no common sense whatsoever. This is word for word directly from the Los Angeles County Of Public Health website per COVID Health Officers order:
Can you participate in public demonstrations?
As an individual, it is within your right to engage in political expression, including your right to petition the government and participate in public demonstrations. You can participate in outdoor protests and there is no limit on the number of attendees.
Can you or your family have a gathering or party?
A group of households (max of 3) that choose to privately gather together should be kept constant or stable over time. Multiple gatherings of 3 households may not be jointly organized or coordinated to occur in the same public park or other outdoor space at the same time.
What absolute crap. These are the kind of health officials that need to be removed from their position.
I've said for years, that we are not indigenous to this planet.
If the numbers were correct, they were decreasing until people started getting "covid fatigue".
W.T.F? So, I just keep exercising MY freedom, and wear my mask, wash my hands, and maintain my anti-social distancing. And, if those numb nuts that don't wear masks, don't want to vaccinate. . . . fine. . . . that just mean that there's more doses available for me & mine.
As I think most everybody here is aware, the problem with the anti-maskers is not THEIR rights. It's that most (not all) of the benefit of a mask is for the health of everybody else. I shouldn't have to breath somebody else's cigarette smoke in an office all day and potentially getting a preventable disease is worse.
Tenman
Well-Known Member
People around here still don’t get it. My rights My rights. I could punch some in the face. Wearing a mask is no big deal unless you make it one. Remember what happened two weeks after July 4 and Labor Day weekend.
Mask does zero. Makes a person feel "safer" I guess is probably the main reason they are worn. Everyone throw them away we would be exactly where we are now, which is hopeless. Any videos I've seen of vaccines being tested, the test subject died. This is life from now on, wear a mask that does zero, do zero, stay home. Get a vaccine, die. Two great things to look forward to for eternity.
Tenman
Well-Known Member
Hang in there RonH. It's gonna get better