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A Yamaha dealer can run the part number and do a nation wide search to see if any dealer in the country has one in stock. If your dealer won't do that send me a message and I'll give you the number to a dealer that will.
Thanks Oldrider - they said they did a nationwide search, but no way to verify. I almost had one on Ebay, but missed it by an hour or two. If you have that dealer name, would be glad to try another avenue.

I did get the triple tree off and am going to take it in to a locksmith to get the security bolts taken off. And I'll probably see if they can change out the cylinder and make the existing part work. At the least it could be a backup, which as scarce as these are, might not be a bad thing.
At this rate, I'll have to take the old R1100gs on the June trip to Canada - it will do fine, but was really looking forward to riding the new-to-me S10.
 

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Hello everyone,


I own a 2016 Yamaha Super Tenere in Toronto, Canada. When I purchased the bike this year, I only received a black key. Yesterday, while using my pannier box, the key bent inside. When I called the dealership, they requested the red key to pair with a new key or replace the entire steering lock system for around 4,000 CAD. Can someone help me find a more cost-effective solution?

regards,
Vinay
 

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Hello everyone,


I own a 2016 Yamaha Super Tenere in Toronto, Canada. When I purchased the bike this year, I only received a black key. Yesterday, while using my pannier box, the key bent inside. When I called the dealership, they requested the red key to pair with a new key or replace the entire steering lock system for around 4,000 CAD. Can someone help me find a more cost-effective solution?

regards,
Vinay
Hello Vinay,

The most cost effective option would be to return to the seller you purchased the bike from and try and get the red key from them. All bikes with factory immobilizer came with two black keys and one red programing key. If the seller does not have the red key, do your best to track the bike to the previous owner(s) and continue to attempt to get the red key. This may be time consuming, but far cheaper than a new ECU with new keys & locks, plus the labor to swap them all.

For the immediate need, go to a local locksmith and have them make you two new keys from ILCO blank X248 or ILCO X254. The X254 is a short key, the X248 is a long key similar to the OEM length. For your bike, these will only open the gas cap and luggage. Many prefer the short key for the gas cap and luggage to minimize bending issues.

Getting a new ignition key with the chip programed nearly always will require the factory red key, that's it's sole purpose, theft prevention. Still, ask the locksmith about making you a duplicate chip key and see what they say.

The other option is to find a used ECU with ignition switch and keys, including the red key. Ebay or a motorcycle wrecker/breaker would be your best bet. I don't believe there is a way to bypass the immobilizer system, even with a US ECU, (US bikes don't have red keys or chip keys and have no immobilizer system).
 

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I own a 2016 Yamaha Super Tenere in Toronto, Canada. When I purchased the bike this year, I only received a black key. Yesterday, while using my pannier box, the key bent inside. When I called the dealership, they requested the red key to pair with a new key or replace the entire steering lock system for around 4,000 CAD. Can someone help me find a more cost-effective solution?
I'd try to unbend the key.
I've heard the same as EricV just mentioned, but yeah it's not a situation faced in the US market.
I wonder if there is a way to MacGyver the broken key's chip to one of the basic blanks Eric mentioned? Just spitballing here. Good luck, friend.

As a trivial aside, I don't think a short key will unlock the gas cap. Whoops, I'm wrong.
 

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I don't know the proximity required, but you might be able to start the bike with a normal key and the existing chip key held right next to the ignition. Not sure anyone has ever tested this. The ILCO blanks are just flat metal, but almost all locksmiths have blank chip keys. Having one that is the correct pattern to fit the Yamaha would be the trick, and being able to copy the chip like they do for automotive applications. I'd be making some calls to my local locksmiths. I suspect w/o the red key you're screwed, either by some proprietary issue, or legal one.
 

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I don't know the proximity required, but you might be able to start the bike with a normal key and the existing chip key held right next to the ignition. Not sure anyone has ever tested this. The ILCO blanks are just flat metal, but almost all locksmiths have blank chip keys. Having one that is the correct pattern to fit the Yamaha would be the trick, and being able to copy the chip like they do for automotive applications. I'd be making some calls to my local locksmiths. I suspect w/o the red key you're screwed, either by some proprietary issue, or legal one.
I’d be really surprised if someone in the US can’t do what these guys can
 

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I’d be really surprised if someone in the US can’t do what these guys can
No need in the US, no red keys, no immobilizers. OP is in Canada.
 

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Oddly enough, motorcycles don't seem to be stolen as much in the US, as elsewhere in the world. I see where travelers have to find secure parking or else their rides get swiped. I mean, we have our usual suspect cities, but not the whole country.
 

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Hello everyone,


I own a 2016 Yamaha Super Tenere in Toronto, Canada. When I purchased the bike this year, I only received a black key. Yesterday, while using my pannier box, the key bent inside. When I called the dealership, they requested the red key to pair with a new key or replace the entire steering lock system for around 4,000 CAD. Can someone help me find a more cost-effective solution?

regards,
Vinay
I had the exact same problem here in Australia. However we have locksmiths who have chip readers and can clone a new chip from the black key. Unfortunately no one has a Yamaha blank key that accepts the chip.
I had a new blank cut and a new chip cloned and epoxied the new chip to the new key blank.
The location of the chip is critical. The receiver for the chip signal is the black plastic ring around the ignition key hole. I experimented with locating the chip on the key using sticky tape until I got it to work reliably. I then epoxied the chip to the key and wrapped it with insulation tape as insurance.
Hopefully you can a good locksmith who can do this for you.
 

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Hi Vinay,
Some good suggestions have been provided above. There is another potential solution that is easy and not too expensive that you could consider.

Since you also posted your problem in another thread with discussions on immobilization emulators. I will link you to that discussion Here. I too have a Canadian bike without a red key. I had some keys made by a key shop and can run the bike without any issues using an emulator. If you go this route use an internet search and look for suppliers in the UK.
 

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And, when you get the key situation figured out, next time you open your side cases, put a little downward pressure on the lid before you turn the key and it won't bend.
 

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Hi Vinay,
Some good suggestions have been provided above. There is another potential solution that is easy and not too expensive that you could consider.

Since you also posted your problem in another thread with discussions on immobilization emulators. I will link you to that discussion Here. I too have a Canadian bike without a red key. I had some keys made by a key shop and can run the bike without any issues using an emulator. If you go this route use an internet search and look for suppliers in the UK.
thats what i would do, buy a immobilization emulators plug and play from the UK

Rob
 
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