If anybody needs a tent...

[Venture]

I like to poke around the REI outlet now and then, and came across this:

http://www.rei.com/product/767270/rei-taj-3-tent-2009-special-buy

It's a 3 man tent with stellar reviews. Regular price is $274, on clearance for $114. Packed size is 8"x24", which is not bad. I don't personally have this tent, but would probably jump on it if I needed one.

Also, REI is known to take anything back if you're not happy.

 

[Venture]

Back up to $209. Deal over.

 

[~TABASCO~]

REI rocks ! ! ::008:: Check out there once a year sale too ! ! Save a good bit of cash ! ! ! !

 

[lbever]

REI supports and gives lots of money to the Sierra Club. The Sierra Club is responsible for closing millions of acres of land to motorized recreation.

 

[tomatocity]

REI supports and gives lots of money to the Sierra Club. The Sierra Club is responsible for closing millions of acres of land to motorized recreation.

I have heard this but never seen anything in writing to support it.

 

[Venture]

REI supports and gives lots of money to the Sierra Club. The Sierra Club is responsible for closing millions of acres of land to motorized recreation.

Previously they were a supporter, but I heard they stopped supporting as of 2010. I never validated that though.

 

[dcstrom]

REI supports and gives lots of money to the Sierra Club. The Sierra Club is responsible for closing millions of acres of land to motorized recreation.

You say that like it's a bad thing...

Off-road vehicles can be incredibly destructive to sensitive environments. To maintain and repair these places is very expensive. Who pays for it? Or is degradation of these areas acceptable so that people can have a bit of fun on ATV's and motorcycles?

 

[tomatocity]

Many of the opponents way to save lands are to close them to off-road vehicles. Good for the land not so good for outdoor recreation lovers.

 

[Tremor38]

You say that like it's a bad thing...

Off-road vehicles can be incredibly destructive to sensitive environments. To maintain and repair these places is very expensive. Who pays for it? Or is degradation of these areas acceptable so that people can have a bit of fun on ATV's and motorcycles?

Yes, that's the easy solution, but the Sierra club is way to one-sided. They have a very 'my way or the highway' approach and that approach is extreme to the point where I'd almost call them an eco terrorist. I just finished an environmental science course with a professor that is very into saving the planet, preserving ecosystems, saving animals species from extinction etc, but even she feels the Sierra club is too extreme.
It's best not to be so polarizing when more equitable solutions can be reached.

 

[dcstrom]

Yes, that's the easy solution, but the Sierra club is way to one-sided. They have a very 'my way or the highway' approach and that approach is extreme to the point where I'd almost call them an eco terrorist. I just finished an environmental science course with a professor that is very into saving the planet, preserving ecosystems, saving animals species from extinction etc, but even she feels the Sierra club is too extreme.
It's best not to be so polarizing when more equitable solutions can be reached.

I did a Permaculture course with Bill Mollison back in the 80's - Bill went from being a forester to environmental scientist to what would probably be called now an eco-activist... his attitude was;
some areas are ok for humans to go on 4 wheels
others for motorized 2 wheels
or bicycles
or on foot
or barefoot
or not at all

depending on the sensitivity of the environment. The problem is that there are many, many environments that we don't know enough about to make a good judgement about what kind of activity should be acceptable, and at what level, in order to maintain the ecosystem and biodiversity that exists without human intervention. And sure, not everywhere is it possible to maintain natural ecosystems, but surely SOME PLACES should kept that way? Where and how is the dilemma.