How misinformation has slowly help kill the 1200XTZ

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Yup, some of them are chunky monkeys. :D And the bikes are too.
These guys were all chunky monkey's, funny they were talking about the weight as I doubt any of them would be able to tie up their boot straps.

Nay say on something you know from not having your facts straight is misinformation, plain and simple, no matter how you put it.
Yes, there is plenty of info out there on the S10, like said its not new news that its heavy its been around since 2010...so what. BUT it still falls in the same category of weight as any other oversize Liter ADV motorcycle and not any heavier.
 

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Harley riders bad mouthing another ride about weight is amusing.

One of the guys I ride with turtled his Harley Beast...it took 3 of us to get it upright.

My back still hurts......

I have to agree with Sierra about the bad mouth campaign. I have no idea what ST sales are but from the consistent numbers of legitimate new members we get here on the Forum, Yamaha must be selling more than a few
 

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I imagine they do sell more than a few over time, but if Yamaha ever released their sales numbers by model, I bet you'd find that this is one of their worst selling models. What it does have in its favor is that it's probably already paid for it's R&D costs, it fills a niche in their lineup for a heavyweight adventure bike, and they sell just enough of them to make it worthwhile to continue production, at least until they're forced to meet increasingly strict emission standards. Why do you think it hasn't received any kind of makeover since 2014? Because it generates just enough sales at its current price point to keep the line going, but not enough to devote funds for any substantial upgrades. Also, any upgrades would raise its price into closer competition with more expensive models like the GS, or the Triumph Tiger, or the KTM 1290. If buyers didn't swarm to the bike at it's $15,900 price tag, why would they suddenly pay $20,000, when other bikes in that class have far more built in status and sex appeal? If someone is willing to pay big bucks for a toy, they're going to want a toy that makes people go "oooo, aaaaah" when they see it. BMW's do that. KTM's do that. Triumph Tigers do that. Super Teneres, not so much (except when someone momentarily mistakes it for a GSA).

It IS a heavy bike. For a 2014, It's claimed curb weight is 584 pounds; once you add all the accessories that we all install, it's 600 plus pounds. The fact that other ADV bikes are heavy doesn't make this bike less heavy. The fact that the message was delivered by a Harley guy riding a 900 pound Barca-Lounger does't make it less true. It's very heavy for a bike that you plan on using for single-track, or hucking over logs (which is kind of the way they marketed is as that "go anywhere, do anything" sort of bike). It's definitely heavy if your planned ride is going to involve picking it up multiple times a day when it falls over downhill. That Harley guy probably would have said the same thing if it was a KTM 1290 sitting there, or a GSA; it just happened to be a Super Tenere.

As for making fun of fat Harley guys, come on....have you ever looked at the trip photos that so many of us post on here? We are an old and portly bunch ourselves. HD bros don't have the market cornered on double chins or big guts (and I include myself in that description).

This bike is a wonderful machine. It's a top notch touring platform, it's as reliable as gravity, and I love it more than any other bike I've owned. It's great on highways, gravel roads, dirt roads, and anything else that could reasonably be called a "road". It's also a chunky beast that shouldn't be anyone's first choice for their planned Darien Gap crossing.
 

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Weight is only an issue when its carried high. First time i rode a Gen 1 i had this weight issue in my mind. Obviously i didnt want to drop it ect. I pulled away and the first thing that came into my mind was " this thing rides like a 650 dirt bike " which was nice. Is it really heavy for a 1200 shaft drive bike ?. Actually its not as it carries it well. Stationery yes but what 1200 isnt. What i would like to see is actual honesty when people review bikes. What would they buy with their own money ?. Are they happy to keep it with no warrenty ?. I think we know the answers to that.
 

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SkunkWorks... those are trails that I like. First pic... not enough speed to get over?
It was a combination of a few things..........Mostly trying to ride 18-miles of marbles down-into, and up out of steep ravine after ravine after ravine...........This after already ridden 7 hours to get there that day.
It was the hardest I have ever worked to get myself and the bike somewhere! I was exhausted......... I'm not sure you would have liked this trail? At least not fully-loaded.
I'll detail the whole thing in my ride-report of the Trip.
 

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For me all the big ADV bikes are too heavy to take in really bad places. With that said i do ride alone almost 100 percent of the time. If not for that i would feel much more comfortable taking it in harder places. I have had it in some nasty places and it did fine. It is my dailey commuter so tearing it up is bad for me. I dont know how any brand of big bike can hold up to real off road abuse. Definitely not for the miles i keep my bikes for. With everything on the bike i carry each day my bike was 622 pounds on a calibrated scale at work. My buddies all ride harleys and even though they are about the same weight or a lot heavier they are easier to pick up off the kick stand but that is just because they have such a low seat hight. While my harley buddies have never ridden my bike they did mention how heavy it was sitting still. They just didnt know how good it feels once the wheels roll just a bit.
 

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For me all the big ADV bikes are too heavy to take in really bad places. With that said i do ride alone almost 100 percent of the time. If not for that i would feel much more comfortable taking it in harder places. I have had it in some nasty places and it did fine. It is my dailey commuter so tearing it up is bad for me. I dont know how any brand of big bike can hold up to real off road abuse. Definitely not for the miles i keep my bikes for. With everything on the bike i carry each day my bike was 622 pounds on a calibrated scale at work. My buddies all ride harleys and even though they are about the same weight or a lot heavier they are easier to pick up off the kick stand but that is just because they have such a low seat hight. While my harley buddies have never ridden my bike they did mention how heavy it was sitting still. They just didnt know how good it feels once the wheels roll just a bit.
And they keep on rolling !
 

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For me all the big ADV bikes are too heavy to take in really bad places. With that said i do ride alone almost 100 percent of the time. If not for that i would feel much more comfortable taking it in harder places. I have had it in some nasty places and it did fine. It is my dailey commuter so tearing it up is bad for me. I dont know how any brand of big bike can hold up to real off road abuse. Definitely not for the miles i keep my bikes for. With everything on the bike i carry each day my bike was 622 pounds on a calibrated scale at work. My buddies all ride harleys and even though they are about the same weight or a lot heavier they are easier to pick up off the kick stand but that is just because they have such a low seat hight. While my harley buddies have never ridden my bike they did mention how heavy it was sitting still. They just didnt know how good it feels once the wheels roll just a bit.
I weighed mine "Naked" once also.........(well, nearly-naked)
I had my tank-bag mounted, two-liter water bladder and a half-tank of Fuel. The tools I carry always stay with the bike, in the rear-mounted tool box. Crash-Bars and skid-plate installed.
"Ready to Ride" without me on it she tipped the scales at 620-lbs
 

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I can imagine the weight added with protection added. Mine has increased substantially with the armor I installed but glad I did cause the bike would be broken a long time ago.
But that goes the same with any bike, add armor = added weight.
But as a base line with the large ADV bikes its in the ball park. This year on going north I was packing for 2 and I'm sure I tipped the scale at nearly 1200lbs and I never found any issues in handling the bike, infact it handled the weight beyond what I ever expected. Nearly 9,000kms and almost 2,000kms were dirt the S10 Impressed. I had a GS for my Central America trip a few years back and though a great bike in its own way, I had a number of issues with it.
 

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I have read this thread....... I sit here and think of all the thousands of off-road miles I have ridden. All the off-road situations I have been in riding the three BDR's Ive finished.... Knowing that my set up is probably 900+ Lbs.... Shit, I still ride the bike like a 450 fully loaded and rip hundreds and hundreds of off road miles and she works like a 'top'.... I sit here and just wonder how I better not remind myself that this big girl is 1000 Lbs the way I ride it..... LOL

The big draw back for me is, Im skinny and cant pick it up...... I rarely fall, but If or when I do, I need help. In the last 12 years the bike has been on its side 2 times....

I would consider the T700 raid with the large tank if it showed up in the US...... LOL


I agree with a few post up above about a "new Tenere" coming out....... I had this conversation recently with a Super Tenere rider that he has mentioned he is ready to buy a new updated Super Tenere. I explained that all the big brands (Japanese / Italian teams) that run Moto GP have the technology to implement this new technology into any of their bikes. Yamaha could produce a new Super Tenere with all the (stuff-tech-Etc) to compete with all the other current brands. This stuff is all data and engineering from Moto GP.
Question, if Yamaha came out with a new wiz-bang great looking Super Tenere. It has comparable offerings as the others in the category (BMW,KTM, Ducati) and comes with a $25,999 price tag, how many of you are going to go get one tomorrow ?................................................... And this is why they are not bringing another out............ They know the numbers...
I might be wrong- IMOP, The Tenere is on its last legs. They are not bringing a new one. They are going to ride the wave of smaller ADV bikes. They are using the same motor platform and sticking it in what feels like MANY bikes. This is how they make much more money. What other vehicle or new vehicle(s) has a "new" 1200 cc motor they are working the bugs out on?............... They are not... They are currently working on the 900 just like they did the 700.... The new ADV bike will be the T900 (Tenere 900), this is the exact same path they took with the T700.....
Some people love that idea, others no so much..... EVERYONE is different, and have different needs and wants.... So as years go on, we will change brands and say good bye to one of the most awesome bikes ever made IMOP.
I guess I just hope that the accountants and high up executives dont conclude the same outcome as the V-Twin STAR cruiser line they use to have....................... Until one day they decided that WHOLE cruiser line was no longer needed........ WTF ?
 
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Are you riding those off pavement miles all alone? Riding a bike that you can't pick up in an isolated area where passing help might be a long time coming (the way some of the stretches of the various BDR's can be) seems like a bad idea, unless you've always got a riding buddy with you. It's laudable that you've only been down twice in all those miles, but shit happens even to the best of riders. I'd hate to be on some stretch of the TAT in Utah by myself on a bike that I knew I couldn't recover if something happened. It's like wearing a helmet; I've put 101,000 miles on my S10 and never crashed, but I still wear a helmet, because you try and prepare for the bad stuff you hope doesn't happen. Being able to recover your bike when you're all by yourself seems pretty important.

I think everyone who rides, whether it's street, or off pavement, or actual off road, should at least once lay the bike on its side and see if they're able to recover it. It's not quite as critical on the street, since there's usually someone around to help (though I've ridden in stretches of the southwest where I didn't see anyone else for a long time). Off pavement or off road, it's a lot more important, not just for you but for your riding partner, if he happens to be trapped under his bike and it's up to you to get it off him.

I've had to recover my S10 twice, once on the road and once off pavement. On the off pavement get-off, the fuel tank ended up on the downslope side of a hill. I'm a big guy, and I could get it upright again by myself, but it was a bitch, especially on gravel. I recommend that anyone who rides this supertanker off pavement all alone try that at least once and see what it's like. Being all alone and far from help is a bad time to find out that you can't manage it.
 
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