Heidneau K60 (Scot) tires
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Way too many to repeat. ADVRider has a bunch. I have had them for over 9000 miles of blissful use on my prior F800GS. They flat work!
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I like this report.. This is just a copy and paste from advrider GS1200:.........................
10,000 Mile Report
As an supplement to my earlier post in this thread at 6,000 miles (post #205, p.14), I just hit the 10,000 mile mark on my first pair of Heidenau K60 Scouts and they are holding up better than I expected. As shown in the pics, rear tread depth remaining in the middle is now at 7/32" and front is at 5/32".
With all the rain in our area lately I've been doing a lot of wet road riding, including about 300 miles two-up and loaded with gear in heavy rain. I admit I've been riding "gently" under those conditions with these tires, more so than I normally do in rain with Tourances or Anakees due to the K60’s rain reputation, but there have been no slips or other bad behavior even while going up, over and down a few curvy road mountain ridges with PA’s infamous ‘the-tar-came-to-the-surface’ chip sealed roads. Only once, when braking to a stop on a downhill while on a wet road, did I feel the rear ABS engage for a revolution or two.
Wear is still pretty even on both tires (no tread block cupping to speak of), and they continue to do well both on and off road for me. Even through mud and gravel (no sand where I live, which is OK with me ), both front and rear have performed very well and I have no complaints. I won’t say they’re every bit as good off-road as TKC-80s just like I’d never say they’re as good on road as Tourances or Anakees, but considering their overall performance for me I think they're the best all around tire going. Hard to tell at this point how many more miles until I'd consider them worn out.
10,000 Mile Report
As an supplement to my earlier post in this thread at 6,000 miles (post #205, p.14), I just hit the 10,000 mile mark on my first pair of Heidenau K60 Scouts and they are holding up better than I expected. As shown in the pics, rear tread depth remaining in the middle is now at 7/32" and front is at 5/32".
With all the rain in our area lately I've been doing a lot of wet road riding, including about 300 miles two-up and loaded with gear in heavy rain. I admit I've been riding "gently" under those conditions with these tires, more so than I normally do in rain with Tourances or Anakees due to the K60’s rain reputation, but there have been no slips or other bad behavior even while going up, over and down a few curvy road mountain ridges with PA’s infamous ‘the-tar-came-to-the-surface’ chip sealed roads. Only once, when braking to a stop on a downhill while on a wet road, did I feel the rear ABS engage for a revolution or two.
Wear is still pretty even on both tires (no tread block cupping to speak of), and they continue to do well both on and off road for me. Even through mud and gravel (no sand where I live, which is OK with me ), both front and rear have performed very well and I have no complaints. I won’t say they’re every bit as good off-road as TKC-80s just like I’d never say they’re as good on road as Tourances or Anakees, but considering their overall performance for me I think they're the best all around tire going. Hard to tell at this point how many more miles until I'd consider them worn out.
The rear Heidenau I got a little bit ago for the wife's F650 GS doesn't look like that, but is a different size than our S10's. The front is the same size and looks the same. Reading through a number of threads I'm not clear if they merely differ by size, or if there was a recent change to the tire and which sizes were affected by that. Seems maybe a little of both. I am wondering if anyone can straighten out which tires are changed/changing and any differences in the updated line. Just trying to assess how applicable older reviews/experiences are to the new tire line and in particular for our size.
I felt on the F650 GS that you do lose a bit of street performance in going to this tire from the oem Battlewings. I haven't ridden it a lot, maybe 40 miles. My general impression is that when you get onto the side blocks you are going to really feel it. On the other hand, I do like that they are rated 118 mph vs the TKC80's 99 mph. Also the reported longer tread life, which would necessary for any coast to coast or Alaska journey from here.
Right now I am very impressed with the street performance of the oem Tourance EXPs on the S10 for street, and the little bit of light dirt that I have done so far (waiting on vaporware black Altrider skidplate... finally ordered Yamaha since I have a ride scheduled next weekend. Now I am going to have two
) Clearly however they wouldn't do for deep mud or sand.
I felt on the F650 GS that you do lose a bit of street performance in going to this tire from the oem Battlewings. I haven't ridden it a lot, maybe 40 miles. My general impression is that when you get onto the side blocks you are going to really feel it. On the other hand, I do like that they are rated 118 mph vs the TKC80's 99 mph. Also the reported longer tread life, which would necessary for any coast to coast or Alaska journey from here.
Right now I am very impressed with the street performance of the oem Tourance EXPs on the S10 for street, and the little bit of light dirt that I have done so far (waiting on vaporware black Altrider skidplate... finally ordered Yamaha since I have a ride scheduled next weekend. Now I am going to have two
) Clearly however they wouldn't do for deep mud or sand.
When the Heidenau first came out, the tread pattern was the same throughout the size ranges available. Heidenau went through a re-formulation/re-design on the 15 size we all use on our S10. This took approximately one year during which the rear was unavailable. They have now come back out as the Heidenau K60 Scout. The 150 has the new tread pattern. All other tires were unaffected and will look the same as before.
Initial concerns were that the new tire, with its center tread pattern, would reduce off road traction in the sloppy stuff. This has not really bared itself out but reports have put the Heidenau slightly behind the TKC and others in sloppy environs from what I have read. As for longevity, it is a 2 to 1 ratio, roughly, which far and away betters the loss in sloppy terrain capability. Longevity from the previous design/formulation has not dropped off from what I have been able to ascertain.
Initial concerns were that the new tire, with its center tread pattern, would reduce off road traction in the sloppy stuff. This has not really bared itself out but reports have put the Heidenau slightly behind the TKC and others in sloppy environs from what I have read. As for longevity, it is a 2 to 1 ratio, roughly, which far and away betters the loss in sloppy terrain capability. Longevity from the previous design/formulation has not dropped off from what I have been able to ascertain.
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I have the K60Scouts on my S10 and a set of the 140s sitting in the garage for the wife's F650GS. The 150 rear has the solid center rib, the 140 does not have the same kind of solid center rib, it's rib is sort of subsurface to the knobs in the center, but there is a rib there.
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I now have 4300 miles on the K60 Scouts on my S10. (pic is today, so current wear shown) Too much friggin pavement, only about 300 miles of dirt/gravel roads so far. Center tread depth measures 10/32". I didn't measure the new depth, but the 140s measure 16/32" new for reference.
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I now have 4300 miles on the K60 Scouts on my S10. (pic is today, so current wear shown) Too much friggin pavement, only about 300 miles of dirt/gravel roads so far. Center tread depth measures 10/32". I didn't measure the new depth, but the 140s measure 16/32" new for reference.
Hmmmmmmm, so I wonder if it would be crazy to think that these might make it the whole way to Alaska and back to Chicago? ~9,000 miles
It sure would be nice to do the whole trip with out having to mount new rubber en route....
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It sure would be nice to do the whole trip with out having to mount new rubber en route....
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I would say you will make it.
I put a K60 rear on the Vee. Tread depth measured 11mm. At 1700 miles removed it and put it on the Super Tenere. Now with a bit over 3000 miles total between the two bikes, I have 8mm tread left. What's that; 11-8=3mm in 3000. So in theory could get 11,000 miles to bald. Not gonna happen but will get at least 8,000 I reckon. 9000 should be doable...maddog5150 said:
Damn, I gave up inches when I was in short pants (in Australia)... according to the web, 10/32" is is equivalent to 7.94 mm. So essentially 8mm, which is what I have left on mine, after starting at 11. But your tires look a lot more worn than mine, so I wonder if something is wrong with my conversion...EricV said:
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Nah, just different angles and lighting. I think yours is pretty comparable to mine in wear.dcstrom said:
hey, in 1978 the US was going to convert to the metric system... F'ing politicians! So here we are stuck with tires being measured in 32's in stead of mm's. Groups of 10, what's so darn hard about that?? As a machinist I use decimal most of the time anyway, but if I told you it was .312" you'd still convert it to ~8mm. :
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dcstrom said:Damn, I gave up inches when I was in short pants (in Australia)... according to the web, 10/32" is is equivalent to 7.94 mm. So essentially 8mm, which is what I have left on mine, after starting at 11. But your tires look a lot more worn than mine, so I wonder if something is wrong with my conversion...
That tire still looking GOooooooooooood ! Im about to install mine for the Big Bend ride hope to get 10K...
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Yes, but even though the .312 is a decimal, it's still .312 of an INCH which is the whole problem!!!EricV said:hey, in 1978 the US was going to convert to the metric system... F'ing politicians! So here we are stuck with tires being measured in 32's in stead of mm's. Groups of 10, what's so darn hard about that?? As a machinist I use decimal most of the time anyway, but if I told you it was .312" you'd still convert it to ~8mm. :
I too remember back in the 70's and the hassle of "dual dimensioning" all our mechanical drawings. What a PITA! Shoulda just converted then and there!!!
Okay, sorry for the thread-drift.