Engine Noise

[semmyroundel]

Rattly sound continued:
I noticed today specifically that there was a slight rattly sound (in addition to the notmal rattly sound) of the "small item being loose" variety.
When I pulled the clutch in, it seemed slightly less rattly in that sound, the rest of the normal rattles were there, and I accept them.
Is this normal with a depressed clutch? It was only a slight difference , but it was there.

 

[Boris]

Rattly sound continued:
I noticed today specifically that there was a slight rattly sound (in addition to the notmal rattly sound) of the "small item being loose" variety.
When I pulled the clutch in, it seemed slightly less rattly in that sound, the rest of the normal rattles were there, and I accept them.
Is this normal with a depressed clutch? It was only a slight difference , but it was there.

Yep, slightly quieter when the clutch is pulled it.

 

[semmyroundel]

Yep, slightly quieter when the clutch is pulled it.

I forgot to mention that my S10 is a 2017 build, 2018 registered. Does that make any difference? I've heard about Gen 1 clutch baskets not being good.

 

[WJBertrand]

When I pulled the clutch in, it seemed slightly less rattly in that sound, the rest of the normal rattles were there, and I accept them.
Is this normal with a depressed clutch? It was only a slight difference , but it was there.

When you pull the clutch in the transmission shafts stop spinning and therefore stop making noise. This has been the case in every manual transmission vehicle I've ever owned car or bike. Completely normal.

 

[semmyroundel]

When you pull the clutch in the transmission shafts stop spinning and therefore stop making noise. This has been the case in every manual transmission vehicle I've ever owned car or bike. Completely normal.

Even in neutral?

 

[scott123007]

Even in neutral?

Yes, even in neutral. In neutral, the shaft the clutch is connected to spins as well as the gears on it. The gears on the countershaft spin as well, but not the shaft itself. When you pull the clutch lever, that stops the shaft the clutch is connected to as well as all the gears.

 

[semmyroundel]

Ok guys, point taken, I'll shut up now.

 

[WJBertrand]

Even in neutral?

Yes, both shafts are rotating but at least one gear in each set are not engaged/locked with the shafts.

 

[scott123007]

Yes, both shafts are rotating but at least one gear in each set are not engaged/locked with the shafts.

Countershaft does not rotate in neutral

 

[HeliMark]

I forgot to mention that my S10 is a 2017 build, 2018 registered. Does that make any difference? I've heard about Gen 1 clutch baskets not being good.

There is nothing wrong with the Gen 1 basket, as far as reliability, and doing its job, it will last as long as a Gen 2 basket. The problem is/was the vibrations it causes around the 3K RPM area, with the way it is dampened. There are people that never notice, or are bothered by the vibrations, and never replace the basket on there Gen 1 bike.

 

[bimota]

There is nothing wrong with the Gen 1 basket, as far as reliability, and doing its job, it will last as long as a Gen 2 basket. The problem is/was the vibrations it causes around the 3K RPM area, with the way it is dampened. There are people that never notice, or are bothered by the vibrations, and never replace the basket on there Gen 1 bike.

yep,

my gen 1 has 28000 miles on it 7 yrs old and NO issues with clutch or basket vibration

rob

 

[~TABASCO~]

Just a side note or suggestion:

These clutches have a anti-chatter spring in the back of the basket. If anyone ever has clutch chatter they might want to pull the pack and eye-ball the pack and take a close look at the anti-chatter spring in the rear of the basket. Its VERY unlikely that it has broken / popped out / or one of the two clips has broken or popped out, but its worth checking. Its probably not expensive to get or re install. It's not hard to instal, but it's frustrating because its a big "hoop" that is very small in Dia. with the little clips on the end. You have to line this up deep in the basket and make sure its perfectly installed.. This is probably not the cause, but Ive not seen anyone bring up this solution as just an idea...... I believe its out board of the first 2-3 clutch plates.

 

[WJBertrand]

Countershaft does not rotate in neutral

True, but some if not all of the gears on the counter shaft are spinning, they are just disengaged from the shaft. It’s a constant mesh design.


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[cyclemike4]

I changed the clutch basket on my 2012 several thousands of miles ago. Not sure how many. I was noticing more vibrations under load with my bike. My bike would never pull real hard under load. It felt like it was trying but just didn't have any grunt. I noticed this more as the vibes seemed to get worse. I had read all the information on the clutch basket change on this forum and thought what the heck I needed to change the timing change tensioner so why not do the clutch at the same time. that was one of the best things I ever did to this bike! My old clutch basket had no worn parts other than maybe the damper springs getting weaker? But after the clutch change it was a lot quieter and it pulled! It pulled loaded on steep hills. It pulled in heavy wind on the interstate and it got better gas mileage. the original clutch basket had always been killing the power from the motor getting to the ground under heavy loads. It seems to me at certain RPMs the clutch basket springs were collapsing under load and rebounding against the motors crank there by killing part of the power getting to the wheel. Just so happened those RPMs were right where I was riding. Just my theory but I like to think it is a good one.

 

[Boris]

I changed the clutch basket on my 2012 several thousands of miles ago. Not sure how many. I was noticing more vibrations under load with my bike. My bike would never pull real hard under load. It felt like it was trying but just didn't have any grunt. I noticed this more as the vibes seemed to get worse. I had read all the information on the clutch basket change on this forum and thought what the heck I needed to change the timing change tensioner so why not do the clutch at the same time. that was one of the best things I ever did to this bike! My old clutch basket had no worn parts other than maybe the damper springs getting weaker? But after the clutch change it was a lot quieter and it pulled! It pulled loaded on steep hills. It pulled in heavy wind on the interstate and it got better gas mileage. the original clutch basket had always been killing the power from the motor getting to the ground under heavy loads. It seems to me at certain RPMs the clutch basket springs were collapsing under load and rebounding against the motors crank there by killing part of the power getting to the wheel. Just so happened those RPMs were right where I was riding. Just my theory but I like to think it is a good one.

Agree! Made a huge improvement to my 2013.

 

[pilleway]

I changed the clutch basket on my 2012 several thousands of miles ago. Not sure how many. I was noticing more vibrations under load with my bike. My bike would never pull real hard under load. It felt like it was trying but just didn't have any grunt. I noticed this more as the vibes seemed to get worse. I had read all the information on the clutch basket change on this forum and thought what the heck I needed to change the timing change tensioner so why not do the clutch at the same time. that was one of the best things I ever did to this bike! My old clutch basket had no worn parts other than maybe the damper springs getting weaker? But after the clutch change it was a lot quieter and it pulled! It pulled loaded on steep hills. It pulled in heavy wind on the interstate and it got better gas mileage. the original clutch basket had always been killing the power from the motor getting to the ground under heavy loads. It seems to me at certain RPMs the clutch basket springs were collapsing under load and rebounding against the motors crank there by killing part of the power getting to the wheel. Just so happened those RPMs were right where I was riding. Just my theory but I like to think it is a good one.

Great improvement in my 2013 too! as mentioned the 3000+rpms became smoother!

 

[RCinNC]

Ah yes, the only real upside to age related hearing loss....the bikes get quieter.

 

[sandro1973]

My 2014 ES model....45.000 miles, had its first valve check 1 month ago, replaced camchain ( same tensioner, it was reset)....the bike is "new" to me, i found it noisy ( more so after adding the bash plate ) and was fearful of tight valves ( and indeed all 8 had to be done.... ) and i also heard a noticeable chain slack sound while deceletaring....better to be safe than sorry, specially when buying a used bike.

The bike runs much better now, but i still find it noisy as hell ( engine wise ), the chain noise still exists but i believe it to be at a lesser extent and the sewing machine sound is ever present....i suppose this is "normal", but i'm not really used to it and it's taking me a "bit" to trust it is indeed mechanically sound ( compression test was also made, no issues ) and that this is how Yamaha meant it to be...i've had two different bikes breaking engines before ( 1990 Super-Tenere 750 and 1992 Kawasaki ZX7 ), so i have "trust issues"....

This is from today, it's near a wall, so sounds will be more amplified and as you can see, it also has an OEM bash plate, which i believe it can also add up to the clatter i hear on that front area, up to the handlebars....mine has also a Arrow endcan. Do your engines sound like this ?

 

[Sierra1]

Skid plates, Yamaha or others, are know to really amplify engine noise. And, as you know, the big girl is not a quiet machine. Runs better, and everything checks out? Ride more, worry less.

 

[sandro1973]

Skid plates, Yamaha or others, are know to really amplify engine noise. And, as you know, the big girl is not a quiet machine. Runs better, and everything checks out? Ride more, worry less.

The same advice i give myself everyday....not quite there yet, but working on it...

Some folks mentioned using Dynamat on the inside of the skid plate to low the clatter....might try that....or ride faster as this is really only noticeable on the sidestand or in the first 3 gears / riding around town.