ECUnleashed Gen 2 reflash- What is does and how to get it

[ECUnleashed]

1. Is there a new Gen 2 flash for the Super Tenere?
YES, we have updated our reflash for the XT1200. It is more of an
evolution of the first flash then a radical change, we have worked
hard to smooth out the throttle even more and have been able to
eliminate the symptoms of the closed loop routine in the ECU. This
will eliminate the surging and stuttering a lot of XT1200 owners have
complained about and can completely transform the way the bike rides.
There are other changes to the flash that I will detail below as well,
we realize that a lot of you are curious to the exact technical
changes.

2. Is every ECUnleashed map for the same 'canned map'?
Our Tune Files are individually built for each customer vehicle.
We will however use one of our many tested mapping parameters
in our database if the vehicle configuration calls for it. Although these
are most often related to the factory restrictions and limiters we will
reuse our previously tested and optimized mapping tables any time
the situation allows us to. Every tune file order is reviewed and
any vehicle requiring specific mapping adjustments are address
accordingly. Of course these changes depend on the level & complexity
of the vehicle modifications and overall configuration. We are able and willing
to provide custom mapping for the more advanced applications such as
internal engine modifications and complex race fuels, however these
applications will require submitting full data acquisition/logging information
into us so we can make the proper adjustments.

3. Did the Gen 1 flash fix the closed loop routine?
While the previous Super Tenere flash reduced the symptoms
caused by the closed loop at lower rpm, we recently located
additional areas of the software that were aiding in the negative
effects caused by the closed loop. We have addressed
these issues in the updated flash and the improvements
are significantly noticeable on both the dyno and while riding.

4. Does the update require sending my ECU directly in to ECUnleashed?
Because we are performing the update at *no additional cost, we cannot
ask our partners to perform these updates. We ask that you please send
your ECU directly to **us for the update and please include your contact
information, return address, and all information pertaining to the original
order you placed through your Authroized Tuning Center. This will allow us to
reference your vehicle records and ensure a proper reflash.
*Customer will only be responsible for Shipping & Handling costs
as well as any tariff/duties on international shipments
**For additional details on shipping your ecu, contact us through our
online Contact Form - http://ecunleashed.com/contact-us/

5. Do we develop our flashes on a dyno?
Absolutely. Each vehicle tune file is developed and tested in house using
some of best equipment available from our friends at Rotronics - FR
http://www.rotronics.com/
In addition to this we also work with all of our Authorized Tuning Centers
worldwide to develop Performance files based on wide variety of modifications,
accessories, and atmospheric/regional conditions.

6.What exactly does the reflash update change?

Significant improvements to the throttle response in "S" mode maps
Greater fuel efficiency in "S" mode maps
"T" mode mapping remains stock but we made slight adjustments to the AFR (Air/Fuel Ratio) in 5th and 6th gear producing a value of 13:1 as opposed to 12.7:1(factory)
Better advance maps over both cylinders 1 and 2
Fully compensated for the closed loop routine below 5k rpm


7.What exactly does the ECUnleashed reflash do to my XT1200 ECU?
-Removal of the top speed limiter
-Removal of the factory timing retardation
-Removal of the factory throttle restrictions
-Increased rev limit by 500rpm- no cost option
-Increase idle up to 1250- no cost option
-Less engine braking and improved decel maps
-Improved throttle control
-Eliminate the factory injector cut off
-Eliminate dash error codes
and all of the benefits from the gen 2 flash as well.

We hope this clear up a lot of your questions and concerns. Please
feel free to post any additional questions in this thread and we will
get back to you as quickly as we can.

For further information on the ECUnleashed Performance Reflash and/or Updates, please visit us at www.ecunleashed.com
or contact us through our online form at - http://ecunleashed.com/contact-us/

We hope this clear up a lot of your questions and concerns. Please feel free to ask anything else here and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Also the auto response that one of the members received that was something along the lines of "3-5 business days for a response" is from an old out of office reply that our e-mail server throws in randomly on occasion.
Sincerely,
Michael Adams - ECUnleashed Tuning Technology®


EDIT: If you could please include a pre-payed return shipping label this will help expedite the reflashing process.

 

[Tremor38]

That's encouraging to hear. I have the Diapason ECU reflash on my Euro Spec ECU. The injector cutoff is definitely still there and they obviously haven't done anything to smooth out the lower RPM and On/off throttle response. Glad to hear you've corrected the closed-loop area.

 

[Rasher]

Michael, thank you very much, some great information here, and I am pleased to see Unleashed both trying to resolve issues and keep their customers "in the loop" (Sorry)

we recently located additional areas of the software that were aiding in the negative effects caused by the closed loop. We have addressed
these issues in the updated flash and the improvements are significantly noticeable on both the dyno and while riding

Still not sure if the area has been remapped or something else done to stop the surging (maybe to the spark)

1. I would like to know if the closed loop area has been re-mapped or is it still mega weak :question: My concern is running a full exhaust may cause this already weak area to run even weaker and over time burn out valves - will this Flash prevent this from happening :question:

2. Are the O2 sensors no longer required - can I remove them and fit an exhaust bung, or would I need eleiminators to stop any warning lights :question:

3. Also is the map for optimised throughout the rev range and at all throttle openings- like how a Power Commander map is built using small increments of both throttle and revs to ensure the fuelling is good everywhere and not just at WOT :question:

4. Is the same done for modified bikes (Dyno test & full remap of all RPM's / Throttle settings) or does someone take a wild guess and just chuck some extra fuel into all the tables :question:

5. I am still unclear about the T-Mode, is the fuelling improved but the throttle restrictions left (my preference, keep the softer delivery of the slower throttle response, but improve the fuelling) my concern is with a modified bike, if the fuelling is left alone could modified bikes run dangerously lean when in T-Mode :question:

I was also unaware that the bike had a top speed restriction (apart from the massive weight, crap aerodynamics and modest power output)


I think most people want safe fuelling and good running in all gears, at all revs, and at all throttle settings, without putting each bike on the dyno and doing a full custom map I realise you won't get the 100% optimisation that may be possible with a power commander, but I think most people are happy with it 95% "right", certainly the price is about right if the Flash works properly to remove restrictions and fuel properly.

If the Gen2 can sort out the fuelling for a modifed bike I am definately going to take up the map for a bike with a full system to fully "unleash" the engines potential, I have a provisional booking for this work, but would like to be sure the bike will run safely with a Flash for the modifications.

 

[X5]

Particularly interesting to me that 5 th and 6 th gears in T mode are so lean 12.7 AFR stock. Nice to know how many extra MPG that would get me in a pinch or just droning along on the interstate to get home at a steady 65mph?

Now I might have to take my ECU back out to get the re reflash...

 

[twinrider]

Why would "increase idle to 1250 rpm" be a good option? 1100 seems to be plenty fast for a 1200 twin.

 

[Z06]

Is there a May 1st deadline to get the no charge reflash and is return shipping and handling $25?

 

[autoteach]

Why would "increase idle to 1250 rpm" be a good option? 1100 seems to be plenty fast for a 1200 twin.

higher idle helps reduce engine braking, chance of killing it from a stop, speeds warm up...
downsides? not many for 150 rpm

 

[coastie]

My bike does not have the flash. If I want to get it, Do I pay for two separate flashes or is it just one flash?

I assume I pay full price for the gen2 flash, I'm just making sure.

And thank you for the detailed explanation. You probably just made a sale.

 

[MotoPumps]

Are you able to make the Traction Control stay in the mode it was in when the bike is shut off, vs always reverting to TCS 1?

Thanks-

Rob

 

[twinrider]

higher idle helps reduce engine braking, chance of killing it from a stop, speeds warm up...
downsides? not many for 150 rpm

Guess I would pass on that option. I've always viewed engine braking as a good thing, sure makes brake pads last a lot longer. Warm-up is computer controlled, always starts at a high rpm, then drops down once warmed up. Never had a problem keeping it from stalling by using the clutch and throttle correctly...

 

[Mark R.]

Could you please confirm the address for sending our ECU to you for the re-flash?

Thanks.

Mark R.

 

[Karson]

Thanks ecunleashed. I'm out of town for the weekend only able to read on my phone, but I'm excited to look at everything when I get back. Sounds like you did a great job detailing the differences!


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[ECUnleashed]

1. I would like to know if the closed loop area has been re-mapped or is it still mega weak My concern is running a full exhaust may cause this already weak area to run even weaker and over time burn out valves - will this Flash prevent this from happening
Yes, the closed loop area has been remapped and smoother our signifigantly. You do not need to worry about burning out your valves as we never run the engine lean enough to cause damage.

2. Are the O2 sensors no longer required - can I remove them and fit an exhaust bung, or would I need eliminators to stop any warning lights
They are not required, however if they are removed we are able to eliminate the dash error codes from there removal.

3. Also is the map for optimized throughout the rev range and at all throttle openings- like how a Power Commander map is built using small increments of both throttle and revs to ensure the fueling is good everywhere and not just at WOT
Yes, our fuel maps are optimized through out the rev ranges. When developing a map we gather data from a variety of dyno runs(ex, 3, 4, and 5th gear runs all at various throttle openings). These are complete and fully optimized maps.

4. Is the same done for modified bikes (Dyno test & full remap of all RPM's / Throttle settings) or does someone take a wild guess and just chuck some extra fuel into all the tables
Yes the same is done for modified bikes. Very similar procedure and then that combination of parts is put into our database.

5. I am still unclear about the T-Mode, is the fueling improved but the throttle restrictions left (my preference, keep the softer delivery of the slower throttle response, but improve the fuelling) my concern is with a modified bike, if the fueling is left alone could modified bikes run dangerously lean when in T-Mode
We have modified the fuel tables slightly in the higher gears of T-mode and have left the softer throttle response alone. If the bike is equipped with an exhaust we will obviously compensate for it in all of the modes.

Nice to know how many extra MPG that would get me in a pinch or just droning along on the interstate to get home at a steady 65mph?
Not sure how much of an increase you would see, but getting a 1-3% better economy would not be surprising. We have had customers come back to us and tell them the reflash has gained them several MPG's but at the same time mileage can differ greatly between riding styles.

Why would "increase idle to 1250 rpm" be a good option? 1100 seems to be plenty fast for a 1200 twin.
This option is mostly used for race applications where the racer is looking for a faster warm up and a reduced risk of stalling off the line.

Is there a May 1st deadline to get the no charge reflash and is return shipping and handling $25?
Originally yes but we will be extending the offer.

My bike does not have the flash. If I want to get it, Do I pay for two separate flashes or is it just one flash? I assume I pay full price for the gen2 flash, I'm just making sure.
Correct, you will be receiving the gen 2 flash initially s we are not flashing the gen 1 anymore. Please contact your closes Authorized Tuning Center or e-mail us and we will help you find the closest one to get your ECUnleashed.

Are you able to make the Traction Control stay in the mode it was in when the bike is shut off, vs always reverting to TCS 1?
While we do offer this feature on some models it is unfortunately not an option on this flash.
(1) Please log on and complete one of our online TUNE FILE ORDER FORMS. Password is tuning101
This will supply us with all of the info we need to get you the PERFECT Tune File. Also it will allow you to inform us of any modifications that have been done to the car so that we can accommodate for those on the Tune File. All info with a "*" is required to be filled in. PLEASE make sure to mention that this is a gen 2 upgrade and you are from the forums in the bottom comments section.

Shipping Address:
ECUnleashed Tuning Technology
8209 Foothill Blvd, Suite #A122
Sunland, CA 91040

Send us tracking # if possible.

I will be checking this thread over the weekend trying to answer everyone's questions. Thanks for all of the support everyone, we appreciate it and are excited to get everyone on the new flash.

 

[jrb_nw]

I am unfamiliar with your specific product but understand trying to fix fueling issues, having owned two BMW R1100RT's before. Talk about surging - my Tenere is smooth in comparison to those.

My question is regarding the reference to "improving" closed loop operation. Are you just modifying it or eliminating it completely and removing O2 feedback? If so, couldn't the cat be damaged if A/F is not correct? And isn't this sort of mod illegal? Not interested in starting a debate, just curious.

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[coastie]

Wow awesome, thanks for answering all those questions! ::012::

 

[fredz43]

I went to http://ecunleashed.com/. I do not see a place to log on, nor do I see a Tune File Order form. Help, please.

Thank you.

 

[ECUnleashed]

I went to http://ecunleashed.com/. I do not see a place to log on, nor do I see a Tune File Order form. Help, please.

Thank you.

sorry about that, I had copied it as a hyperlink. here you go [urlhttp://ecunleashed.com/dealers/order-form-tuning-files/[/url]
The password is: tuning101

I am unfamiliar with your specific product but understand trying to fix fueling issues, having owned two BMW R1100RT's before. Talk about surging - my Tenere is smooth in comparison to those.

My question is regarding the reference to "improving" closed loop operation. Are you just modifying it or eliminating it completely and removing O2 feedback? If so, couldn't the cat be damaged if A/F is not correct? And isn't this sort of mod illegal? Not interested in starting a debate, just curious.

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We modify the tables allowing us to utilize the stock O2 sensor.

 

[X5]

1. I would like to know if the closed loop area has been re-mapped or is it still mega weak My concern is running a full exhaust may cause this already weak area to run even weaker and over time burn out valves - will this Flash prevent this from happening
Yes, the closed loop area has been remapped and smoother our signifigantly. You do not need to worry about burning out your valves as we never run the engine lean enough to cause damage.

2. Are the O2 sensors no longer required - can I remove them and fit an exhaust bung, or would I need eliminators to stop any warning lights
They are not required, however if they are removed we are able to eliminate the dash error codes from there removal.

3. Also is the map for optimized throughout the rev range and at all throttle openings- like how a Power Commander map is built using small increments of both throttle and revs to ensure the fueling is good everywhere and not just at WOT
Yes, our fuel maps are optimized through out the rev ranges. When developing a map we gather data from a variety of dyno runs(ex, 3, 4, and 5th gear runs all at various throttle openings). These are complete and fully optimized maps.

4. Is the same done for modified bikes (Dyno test & full remap of all RPM's / Throttle settings) or does someone take a wild guess and just chuck some extra fuel into all the tables
Yes the same is done for modified bikes. Very similar procedure and then that combination of parts is put into our database.

5. I am still unclear about the T-Mode, is the fueling improved but the throttle restrictions left (my preference, keep the softer delivery of the slower throttle response, but improve the fuelling) my concern is with a modified bike, if the fueling is left alone could modified bikes run dangerously lean when in T-Mode
We have modified the fuel tables slightly in the higher gears of T-mode and have left the softer throttle response alone. If the bike is equipped with an exhaust we will obviously compensate for it in all of the modes.

Nice to know how many extra MPG that would get me in a pinch or just droning along on the interstate to get home at a steady 65mph?
Not sure how much of an increase you would see, but getting a 1-3% better economy would not be surprising. We have had customers come back to us and tell them the reflash has gained them several MPG's but at the same time mileage can differ greatly between riding styles.

Why would "increase idle to 1250 rpm" be a good option? 1100 seems to be plenty fast for a 1200 twin.
This option is mostly used for race applications where the racer is looking for a faster warm up and a reduced risk of stalling off the line.

Is there a May 1st deadline to get the no charge reflash and is return shipping and handling $25?
Originally yes but we will be extending the offer.

My bike does not have the flash. If I want to get it, Do I pay for two separate flashes or is it just one flash? I assume I pay full price for the gen2 flash, I'm just making sure.
Correct, you will be receiving the gen 2 flash initially s we are not flashing the gen 1 anymore. Please contact your closes Authorized Tuning Center or e-mail us and we will help you find the closest one to get your ECUnleashed.

Are you able to make the Traction Control stay in the mode it was in when the bike is shut off, vs always reverting to TCS 1?
While we do offer this feature on some models it is unfortunately not an option on this flash.
(1) Please log on and complete one of our online TUNE FILE ORDER FORMS. Password is tuning101
This will supply us with all of the info we need to get you the PERFECT Tune File. Also it will allow you to inform us of any modifications that have been done to the car so that we can accommodate for those on the Tune File. All info with a "*" is required to be filled in. PLEASE make sure to mention that this is a gen 2 upgrade and you are from the forums in the bottom comments section.

Shipping Address:
ECUnleashed Tuning Technology
8209 Foothill Blvd, Suite #A122
Sunland, CA 91040

Send us tracking # if possible.

I will be checking this thread over the weekend trying to answer everyone's questions. Thanks for all of the support everyone, we appreciate it and are excited to get everyone on the new flash.

Just want to say thanks for your continued improvements and communications. This is a good example of the way fine customer service works!

 

[Karson]

Could not say it better. Thank you for dedicating time to us, clearing up a lot of speculation, and providing great customer service. I'm a fan.


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[Rasher]

By this time next week I should have the Gen2 Flash ::008::

Thanks for answering the queries so promptly, although I have one last question...

Could the bike be flashed again by someone else, I know some Flash companies are able to "lock" the ECU, but the problem with that is you ever want it changed and the vendor is no longer around you are stuck.

I am hoping I would never need to change it, or an Unleashed agent would be around to do this, but nice to know if in years to come if something happened to Unleashed or their agent I could get another Flash from someone else if I had to.