Do all the ECU flashes come from ECUnleashed ? Lets TALK !

[~TABASCO~]

Hello ! ::26::

I talk to a ton of Super Tenere owners everyday. And this topic has been brought up to me and discussed many times. And just yesterday I was having lunch with a few Super Tenere owners and it was brought up again.
{Lets try to keep this on the 'fun' level, and have a normal conversation}

What are your thoughts on both Diapason and Off-Road both using the ECUnleashed flash and calling it there own? Over the last few months Ive been a proponent of the Diapason flash thinking it was probably the best to use. Based on reading everything I could get my hands on and speaking with all the customers that spoke english. And also looking at all the graphs that people have provided both public forums and sent to me in privet Email.

Diapason takes five days to flash. Similar to the ECUnleashed in the US if you where to give them all the info the day your ECU showed up and did not plan in advance. The German out fit looks like they do there flash the day they receive it, and then shipped right back out. So maybe the German out fit does not use ECUnleashed?

After we have seen that Diapason has taken a rear hugger and rigged it up and sold it for another use. (not saying that's good or bad) but pawning it off as there own. And I was just told that the 'famous' Tosco bags where not built buy that shop, but are provided and for sale by an out fit in Europe. It just starts to maybe lend it self to maybe there flash is not 'developed' by them and maybe its brought in from there next door neighbors ECUnleashed?

I'm NOT looking to start a big "mine is better that yours"... But after listening, learning, reading, discussing, reading charts and graphs, everything tends to look like the "flash" is the same no matter who it comes from. ** There are small changes (S) & (T) being flipped back and forth on start up that would be easy to make happen if you where in the same country and next door to the people who developed the software.

I'm not saying that my hypothesis is fact. Its just an observation that seems to fit. What are your thoughts? Myself, personally, I would still probably like to have the Diapason even after I write this and have these 'they are the same' thoughts. But everything I have dealt with Diapason and there total lack of business sense and non existent communication will lead me to ECUnleashed or just hang tight and see what might come down the road over the next twelve months...

I think Ive spoke to every person on this forum that has had the flash performed. I'm not bashing or picking on any 'flash' business. Its just an observation.... What are your thoughts ?

 

[3putt]

I just had a pretty bad day of golf, but I will try and keep it fun. LOL. I am not sure they actually advertised the hugger, we first saw it on Tosco's bike I believe, then inquired if we could get one. May be wrong, but that is the way I remember it without trying to comb through all those old posts. Due to the lack of communication, just about impossible to ask any questions, so until we actually got one in hand, I was taking a huge risk on the product. And on top of that it was not cheap, more than half was shipping.

You may be correct on the ECU, but I plan to wait, if I ever get it at all. No way am I going to have Diapason do it, without having some communication, not to mention the over the top shipping charges.

 

[Blue_eyes]

Hi Jaxon,

If I am not mistaking, ECU Unleashed charges US$ 495,-
Diapason charges EU 252,- which equals US$ 340,-

Why would Diapason buy the flash from ECU Unleashed and would ECU Unleashed allow them to sell it cheaper than ECU Unleashed themselves....?

As you indicated Diapason's rear hugger originally costs EU 14,- end-user, they modify it and sell it for EU 60,-, so they are sound businessmen...

So just from this perspective, I do not think ECU Unleashed is the source of the Diapason flash.
Also, Diapason refuses to publish their Dyno chart because Yamaha does not allow them to (that is what Tosco claims), while ECU Unleashed published their Dyno chart from day 1...

Diapason already published their flash in June 2011: http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/6674/yamaha-super-tenere-diapason-racing-sporty-future-for-xt1200z

While the first other flash was published early September by Motec Germany see http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=2224.0 , and ECU Unleashed only published their flash in August http://ecunleashed.com/category/tune-of-the-month/ .....

Diapason built the worldcrosser bike for Yamaha rider Francesco Catanese to compete in the Pharaons Rally 2011, that bike was the source for the world crosser and has the Diapason flash.

See: http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/yamaha/yamaha_xt1200z_r_special_edition.htm and http://www.motoblog.it/post/28704/iniziative-yamaha-super-tenere-2011-al-motodays


Just google for Francesco Catanese and XT1200Z and you will find many video's featuring the bike:

See:
Yamaha XTZ1200R Super Ténéré e Francesco Catanese al Pharaons Rally 2011

Watch the above clip at 0:18 seconds!

Motociclismo Fuoristrada prova la Yamaha Super Ténéré 1200

Intervista a Francesco Catanese - Live-bike.com

In the above clip at 5:00 minutes they discuss the Diapason ECU flash.

Remember that video of that tall guy trashing his XT1200Z in the streets? That was Francesco Catanese on the prototype. Francesco is from Bologna close to Parma where Diapason is located.

Just my 2 cents.....

 

[~TABASCO~]

I just had a pretty bad day of golf, but I will try and keep it fun. LOL. I am not sure they actually advertised the hugger, we first saw it on Tosco's bike I believe, then inquired if we could get one. May be wrong, but that is the way I remember it without trying to comb through all those old posts. Due to the lack of communication, just about impossible to ask any questions, so until we actually got one in hand, I was taking a huge risk on the product. And on top of that it was not cheap, more than half was shipping.

You may be correct on the ECU, but I plan to wait, if I ever get it at all. No way am I going to have Diapason do it, without having some communication, not to mention the over the top shipping charges.

You are now now longer Tiger_one.... we will now call you TIGER WOODS......

 

[~TABASCO~]

Blue_Eyes.....

Fore sure.. I agree with that.. Ive seen all those videos about a million times.. ::26:: I don't have any agenda to argue the points you have made.. And they are good ones. Its just here this topic more and more from others, and thought I would post for some 'others thoughts on the subject' !!! ::008:: I'm sure we can all agree a bike with the flash is 'better' that one with out, no matter who performed the service ! ::001::

 

[GrahamD]

Diapason already published their flash in June 2011: http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/6674/yamaha-super-tenere-diapason-racing-sporty-future-for-xt1200z

While the first other flash was published early September by Motec Germany see http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=2224.0 , and ECU Unleashed only published their flash in August http://ecunleashed.com/category/tune-of-the-month/ .....

Diapason built the worldcrosser bike for Yamaha rider Francesco Catanese to compete in the Pharaons Rally 2011, that bike was the source for the world crosser and has the Diapason flash.

See: http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/yamaha/yamaha_xt1200z_r_special_edition.htm and http://www.motoblog.it/post/28704/iniziative-yamaha-super-tenere-2011-al-motodays

That would be my recollection also your Honour.

I agree with Mr Eyes.

 

[Rasher]

I thought only the Diapson flash reverts to touring mode when turning on the ignition?

If so they are not just sending it to ECU unleashed and subsidising everyones flash by $100, which would be very kind of them, but probably not a good long term business plan ::005::

 

[Blue_eyes]

Hi Jaxon,

I am not arguing anything, just sharing the info at hand and my thoughts and logic around them.

I honestly don't care who was first, as that really doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is that we now know that there are multiple sources that offer services to remove the restriction, and they all deliver very positive results. Whether or not one flash gives a few more horsepower than the other here or there is not relevant to me as this is not the main purpose of the flash. The aim was to remove the dent in the midrange caused by the throttlebodies not opening fully. They all achieve this.

So which vendor to choose is entirely a personal matter and will probably be determined by location and/or price.

I can only recommend to have the ECU flashed when you want to transform your bike from docile to alive and kicking! ::008:: ::021::

 

[Blue_eyes]

I thought only the Diapson flash reverts to touring mode when turning on the ignition?

If so they are not just sending it to ECU unleashed and subsidising everyones flash by $100, which would be very kind of them, but probably not a good long term business plan ::005::

Correct. That is another cursor why the Diapason flash most likely does not originate from ECU Unleashed.

 

[RMac]

Now, I may have misread / mis-google-translated the Italian S10 forum, but I thought that Tosco was questioning the origin of the off-the-road.de flash. Not sure if he was hinting that it might be a Diapason copy. There is one other thing differentiating the Diapason flash. They are the only vendor openly claiming that Yamaha warranty is not voided by their flash.

 

[X5]

Glad you brought this stuff Jaxon.

I would bet the three current "flashers" cross shop each other's tunes to better tweak the next revision. Competition improves the breed.

What ever happened to Bazzaz?

 

[Blue_eyes]

Glad you brought this stuff Jaxon.

I would bet the three current "flashers" cross shop each other's tunes to better tweak the next revision. Competition improves the breed.

What ever happened to Bazzaz?

http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=2962.0

 

[~TABASCO~]

Hi Jaxon,

I am not arguing anything, just sharing the info at hand and my thoughts and logic around them.

I honestly don't care who was first, as that really doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is that we now know that there are multiple sources that offer services to remove the restriction, and they all deliver very positive results. Whether or not one flash gives a few more horsepower than the other here or there is not relevant to me as this is not the main purpose of the flash. The aim was to remove the dent in the midrange caused by the throttlebodies not opening fully. They all achieve this.

So which vendor to choose is entirely a personal matter and will probably be determined by location and/or price.

I can only recommend to have the ECU flashed when you want to transform your bike from docile to alive and kicking! ::008:: ::021::

Yep.. I agree 100% 8)

 

[~TABASCO~]

Glad you brought this stuff Jaxon.

I would bet the three current "flashers" cross shop each other's tunes to better tweak the next revision. Competition improves the breed.

What ever happened to Bazzaz?

Bazzaz has offered there own version of the PCV & AT... They don't do flash's and they cant / wont / Etc get into the ECM to fix anything. They only offer a piggy back like power commander... I have spoken to the gentleman that has the Bazzaz program and from what I know he is not that jazzed about the software.....

 

[Tremor38]

Re: Do all the ECU flashes come from ECUnleashed ? Lets TALK !

I kinda see where you were going with the hugger example, but as far as the side cases go the hear-say is incorrect. I saw the photos of them being fabricated and fitted. They are posted by Tosco at a forum he frequents. Blue eyes has provided the link in the power restriction thread, I would guess he also saw those pics. Tosco was soliciting input at the forum as the cases were being built.

This is not an unconditional defense of Diapason because I agree about the frustratingly slow service...just thought I'd clear up the speculation about the cases. I've seen boxes that look very similar and maybe someone other than Tosco was doing part of the fab, but I know for sure they were built to his spec and final fitting happened at Motoshop Parma.

 

[la-motor]

Bazzaz has offered there own version of the PCV & AT... They don't do flash's and they cant / wont / Etc get into the ECM to fix anything. They only offer a piggy back like power commander... I have spoken to the gentleman that has the Bazzaz program and from what I know he is not that jazzed about the soft ware.....

Jaxon,
here is a follow-up since we last spoke. I originally told you that there was a fueling problem with the bike when I received it back from Bazzaz and I thought it had something to do with the software. I have since taken the bike back to Bazzaz where we ran it on the dyno several times and were able to replicate the problem. It turned out NOT to be a software problem after all. After raising and lowering the gas tank several times, we noticed that the fuel hose from the tank had a kink in it preventing fuel flow at WOT. After fixing the problem, I can say that I am very happy with the outcome and the service provided by Bazzaz.

 

[~TABASCO~]

Jaxon,
here is a follow-up since we last spoke. I originally told you that there was a fueling problem with the bike when I received it back from Bazzaz and I thought it had something to do with the software. I have since taken the bike back to Bazzaz where we ran it on the dyno several times and were able to replicate the problem. It turned out NOT to be a software problem after all. After raising and lowering the gas tank several times, we noticed that the fuel hose from the tank had a kink in it preventing fuel flow at WOT. After fixing the problem, I can say that I am very happy with the outcome and the service provided by Bazzaz.

AWESOME !!!!!!!! Well that might have something to do with performance Well, there you are folks ! ::26:: Glad you guys got it ironed out !! Call me when ya got some time... Would like to pick your brain ! ::008::

 

[yukondood]

anyone doing ecu reflash in Canada???

 

[Kevhunts]

What are your thoughts on both Diapason and Off-Road both using the ECUnleashed flash and calling it there own?

I just read this on ECUnleashed's website. Perhaps their flash originated in Italy???


What is ECUnleashed Tuning Technology?

ECUnleashed Tuning Technology is a performance service consisting of reprogramming or “flashing” your vehicles stock ECU (Electronic Control Unit) unlocking the hidden potential of your car, motorcycle, watercraft, snowmobile. This results incredible power gains, optimum engine deceleration maps, increased rev limit, smoother on/off throttle response, “Dash Code” removal and so much more. The bike retains all stock instrument and light functions along with all safety parameters of the stock ECU. ECUnleashed uses only the most advance hardware and software to develop and distribute one of the largest and diverse developed by our Italian partners, Piasini Engineering. This offers the track day enthusiast, club racers, and even factory race teams an incredibly competitive “Plug-n-Play” electronics service package without the extensive cost and testing time associated with a race kit ECU, wiring harnesses, cables etc. Removing Restrictions and Perfecting the Tune……..

 

[Tremor38]

I just read this on ECUnleashed's website. Perhaps their flash originated in Italy???


What is ECUnleashed Tuning Technology?

ECUnleashed Tuning Technology is a performance service consisting of reprogramming or “flashing” your vehicles stock ECU (Electronic Control Unit) unlocking the hidden potential of your car, motorcycle, watercraft, snowmobile. This results incredible power gains, optimum engine deceleration maps, increased rev limit, smoother on/off throttle response, “Dash Code” removal and so much more. The bike retains all stock instrument and light functions along with all safety parameters of the stock ECU. ECUnleashed uses only the most advance hardware and software to develop and distribute one of the largest and diverse developed by our Italian partners, Piasini Engineering. This offers the track day enthusiast, club racers, and even factory race teams an incredibly competitive “Plug-n-Play” electronics service package without the extensive cost and testing time associated with a race kit ECU, wiring harnesses, cables etc. Removing Restrictions and Perfecting the Tune……..

You're a day late and a dollar short I'm afraid. This has been known for quite some time. ECUunleashed uses Piasini Engineering, while Diapason used 'Kimi Electronic Power Mapping' and has been using them for a long time. Even if it were true that both were using the same source, why would it be that Diapason is 'using ECUunleased's flash' and 'calling it their own' That's just not making much sense to me. Sears used to source from a wide variety of vendors and call the stuff 'their own' I wouldn't call ECUunleased flashes their original material either.

Further, Diapason has been doing power mapping to Yamaha machines exclusively, so they might have figured out a thing or two regarding Yammie ECUs..just sayin.