DIY Windscreen....

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I really liked the look of the "shorty" screen and don't mind the mind since I have been riding a supermoto for the past 4 years. Below is one we have all seen. I couldn't really find one, but if I did pretty sure it would have cost around 120 to 200 bucks. This darn bike has me hemorrhaging cash and my wife cut me off so I needed a plan B. I was able to rescue a piece of ABS destined for the dumpster, thickness was comparable to a windscreen, so I thought it would be easy to mock something up. I used the photo borrowed from the web and measured the distance between the bolt holes. Now I had a baseline to scale the photo and get a really rough idea of dimensions. I drew a 2D profile and split it into 4 quadrants so I could print it on my home printer (it only has 8.5"x11" sheets). I cut out the 4 shapes (2 would do since it is symmetrical) and taped them together for a rough pattern.

Now the interesting part. The stock windscreen has a lot more curvature than appears at first glance. I suppose one could really geek out and grid out the entire screen and use a coordinate measuring device to create the 3D data to obtain accurate surfacing data. It isn't hard, but the equipment is expensive and my work would frown on my making personal bits instead of slaving away for them. Plan B, I wrapped the stock windscreen in foil to protect it (not sure if this was necessary, but it looks pro right?). I preheated the wife's oven to 350 degrees F and found a cookie sheet; in went the ABS sheet for 8.5 minutes. I purposely left part of the ABS sheet hanging off the cookie sheet to see when gravity took over and the piece was malleable. I Put on some leather gloves and rested the hot sheet on the stock screen. I worked it into the screen evenly and purposely left a lot hanging off the edges because when plastic cools it contracts, yielding some weird curvature. The ABS was set and stiff in about 5 minutes at room temperature. If you wanted to go really pro I suppose you could use 2 windscreens and sandwich the ABS sheet or create a vacuum fixture. I think that is way too much work for minimum improvement and who in the world has two screens?....

Before lifting the ABS sheet off the stock bit, mark a couple dots on either side to help you keep your paper template centered. The template I created ended up looking too tall for my liking so I lopped off about 1.25" inches parallel to the top line (the attached PDF is the taller version). The ABS sheet in the photo looks terrible because it has a protective film can peel away when you are done working on it. The template won't lay perfectly because of the curvature, but close enough to get the idea across. I used scotch tape to hold it down, but I didn't put tape in the corners. Using a marker I just traced the outside line, pulled up the stencil, I knocked out the rest of the cut lines with a flexible straight edge.

I have a lousy set of tools at the house, but I decided I just wanted to jump right in rather than waiting to run to the store, or go to a proper shop. I used a jig saw with a the only blade I could find, ended up being a blade for dry wall. I hand cut on the lines. I was about 8 cups of coffee deep so things are exactly true, symmetrical, straight, etc. The only think I could find to sand and create fillets in my garage was this 4 inch diameter grinding disc for a drill. Well, giddy up. I went around the outside, trying to keep a steady hand, more waviness created, but now it isn't a knife around the edges. I eyeballed the location and marked the four stock holes, drilled a pilot hole, and came back with a larger bit. Nothing cracked. I had to cut some stock nubs off the factory plastic bolt plate things, but other than that, fit just like stock.

Took me about an hour and half for everything, cost me nothing. The process is good, next time I will take the steps necessary to get straight cuts and correct fillets. Anxious to get it on the road to experiment with different heights. Ultimately it would be super cool to get over to wind tunnel and start tall and run through different heights to see how the laminar flow is coming off that top lip, but at 350 bucks an hour for the WWW.a2wt.com, that won't be happening any time soon.

Go ahead and pillage any information you want. I am putting up the PDF I created, print to scale, but the holes on the template are only to assist you to tape the 4 sections together, don't drill with them.
 

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Its a bit more professional than my armour-plated one gbergma1 ::025::

 

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Heck of a job! I have some ABS just came in, that I was going to use to try and mold a hugger. Think I just found a good use for it. Spring is around the corner, will need a shorty screen.
 

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OX-34, I like your's I would have preferred black, but this was the only piece in the rubbish bin at the time. Pretty sure this blue will kill bugs as well as the black one. Same ABS used for kayaks so temperature stability and impact resistance is really good.

It will be cool to see what every else comes up with and also feed back on heights and shapes. I have the software to try some CFA (computational fluid analysis) but I don't have the time to CAD out the entire front end of the bike. We could finally put this height thing to bed...
 

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Great job!!! It my be time to go into the windscreen business!!

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Cut down from a surplus Burgman 400 scooter screen:




Here overlaying the original screen:
 

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Used a solid cookie sheet, got huge bubbles in my ABS and it drooped over the edges. Like to never got it pryed off. Think I had too much heat. My wife did say her oven is a little off. Think I will try 300 degrees next time and keep a closer eye on it.
 

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Tiger One, sorry to hear that. Let me hunt down the vendor and material spec of the one I used. It was super easy to work with.

Found this one on McMasterCarr, I haven't worked with it yet, search for 8586K362, 12 by 24 inch sheet for less than 15 bucks. www.mcmaster.com
 

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Okay, no problem, I have enough for 3 more tries. Will cut another piece and try again later. Just back from a ride with my wife on her Duc.
 

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I would take the piece that was booger'ed up and cut it into squares, experiment with different temperatures and durations. It would feel like a sheet of dough when it comes up, no bubbling or discoloration, almost like an huge chunk of al'dente fettuccine. I would start at 200 degrees and work your way up in 50 degree increments, duration shouldn't be anymore than 10 minutes. Oven needs to be pre-heated and you want uniform temperature distribution. Ensure you have a lot of over hang so when the part cools you maintain the shape you desire in the middle.
 

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300f @ 8 minutes worked! ::012:: Don't think I had the oven preheated enough first time and it stayed on too long after I put it in.

Now, to cool and mark from the stencil and cut on bandsaw.
 

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The forming temp you want is 285-300F. Here's a ref for other properties: http://www.machinist-materials.com/comparison_table_for_plastics.htm


Bike windshields are typically acrylic and metric in thickness, but about 3/16." You can usually get it from a sign maker. The 1/4" stuff from Home Depot or Loews will work fine but takes a lot of heat to form. The plastic of car bumper covers is kind of flexible but great material for little covers and such.
Plastics absorb really small amounts of water simply from the atmosphere. To work with Lexan means that you need to bake it for a while or it will bubble.


The problem with the family oven is that the heat is extremely uneven. Totally normal to have a 50 degree difference between the center and edges, possibly LOTS more. You can totally melt the edges while the center is barely forming. Cleaning the mess after is a real thrill, too. Don't ask how I know.
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I have a simple industrial heat gun from Harbor Freight that does amazingly well. Polish and then spray cooking spray on the hood or trunk of a junk car and you can make incredible shapes. Go slow and you can move the plastic to form different areas. For sharp bends, fold up about 5 layers of aluminum foil to lay on either side of the bend.
 

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Thanks for that info. That is what happened to me, melted/drooped on the edges but bubbled on the cookie sheet, second time did lots better, and cured in like 1 minute.

Looks pretty good. Pretty cool little project, thanks for the fun!


 

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Nicely done David. Let us know how it feels at speed. I like the black-can't go wrong with that color. Checks' is right, a heat gun works super well too. Full blow production uses an oven with vacuum forming sheets of off the shelf ABS. I am trying to just present free food for thought without completely geeking out and intimidating someone from trying. Google takes all the fun out of it...ignorance is truly bliss sometimes.

By the way you said earlier, "was going to mold a hugger"....what is a hugger? Is that something you cuddle up after the misses kicks you out of bed for spending too much time tinkering in the shop? If so, I may need a "hugger" too.
 

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The hugger (couple of threads here on the one from Italy) fits inside the swing arm and protects the underside of the bike (rear brake reservoir) from rocks and mud.

Now that I have some experience with this stuff may try it some day, but I do have a hugger. I knew from the start that I needed to fashion a mold. I was going to use a couple of old tires of the right size. Hugger needs to be large enough to not pack mud when running the biggest (like a K60) rear tire.

http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=3744.0
 

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Just back from some backroads, Interstate, town. This screen brings out the hooligan in you! LOL I also left the topcase off, and the bike just felt much quicker and turnins easier, really like the feel. Wind is of course up and will require earplugs, but I really like this new screen. I can pack it in on my trips that I will be camping at a spot for a while and leave the touring screen at the camp along with panniers and put this one on. SUPER.

I am going to leave the little hooligan screen on and check the MPG, bet it is going to me lots better than when I have pushing the barn door around.

I tried to show a comparison of my touring screen and the new one, but my arm was not long enough.

 

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Tiger_one said:
I can pack it in on my trips that I will be camping at a spot for a while and leave the touring screen at the camp along with panniers and put this one on. SUPER.

Perfect! There are many times that I find myself missing that 'one with the wind' feeling I had with my motard. I think this is just 'the ticket' for romps through the mountains and slower work on trails and dirt roads.
 
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