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Man what is the deal? I'm reading the latest CW and the 10 best bikes of 2013. Four of the choices are you guessed it BMW. The HP4, K1600GTL, K1600GT, and the R1200GS. The Yamaha Star Bolt got a honorable mention. Boy don't do us any favors CW. LOL
Not to mention the BMW ads peppered through out the mag.

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The latest Cycle World has an article on the S10 that is quite favourable. It was also Cycle Worlds Adventure Bike of the Year in 2012. The new GS1200 is a heck of a bike. Lighter, faster, higher tech and better looking by far. Just not as reliable and costs a lot more. $10,000. here.
 

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Combo said:
With the aforementioned improvements, the Super T has been one of the most enjoyable long-termers we’ve had in years.
14,000+ miles! By a magazine? And their final comment confirms what we have been saying all along is true if you just keep riding the bike long enough.

14,000. That's remarkable. You can't forget what a bike is like if you ride it that much. And you get WAY past your preconceived notions, good or bad, sitting on a bike for all those many hours.

Far as I'm concerned, I feel vindicated. By a magazine staff, no less. Go figure.
 

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Seems to me most of the bike magazines are BMW/Ducati biased across the board
 

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MurphCO said:
Seems to me most of the bike magazines are BMW/Ducati biased across the board
Or it could be that some of their bikes are just really, really good...

Make no mistake a magazine has to make money to stay in business, but I think sometimes folks are quick to assume a certain company has a mag in their hip pocket - maybe they do for all I know. I have ridden neither the WC GS or GT/GTL, but every review I've read (most from owners, not companies (ie magazines) ) gushes over them. Apparently they are really that good. As others have said, I think the disconnect is sometimes the long-term issues. Make no mistake, BMWs tend to be quirky and have a high potential for giving their owner heartburn IMO. But if you can deal with that....
 

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Combo said:
I know what you mean about most of the mags but CW was one of the Mags to give the 2012 Tenere very high marks although they gave the 2013 nod to the GS.

This from their long term test:

With the aforementioned improvements, the Super T has been one of the most enjoyable long-termers we’ve had in years.

http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/04/30/yamaha-super-tenere-long-term-test-update-3/
There's a place on that review page to add a personal review and rating. I don't normally do those but added one since I like this bike so much and it needs more positive press. If you really like the bike it's a chance to let others in the bike community know about it, many of whom might not ever do enough research to find this forum.


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Since I actually worked as a motorcycle tester for the biggest online MC mag on the internet, I can tell you first hand how cooked the results of the 'comparos' are. You wouldn't believe some of the stories if I told you. Lets just say that test bike 'availability' and ad dollars play a bigger role than bike performance. I was removed for having the balls to tell the truth.
 

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Why I refuse to drink the koolaid that some of these magazines like to offer:

 

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longride said:
Since I actually worked as a motorcycle tester for the biggest online MC mag on the internet, I can tell you first hand how cooked the results of the 'comparos' are. You wouldn't believe some of the stories if I told you. Lets just say that test bike 'availability' and ad dollars play a bigger role than bike performance. I was removed for having the balls to tell the truth.
I would be interested to know what most of the testers actually ride themselves....
 

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MurphCO said:
Seems to me most of the bike magazines are BMW/Ducati biased across the board
They don't have to ride them for years and handle the maintenance.
 

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All mags will be biased.
but mostly because it's a short term experience for them.
did they not do a major big trailie comparo in europe, which the ST loaner that was provided, was put throught the paces by some French journos who beat the crap out of the bike, rode it hard and put it away wet... so if it's going up against properly prepped and fettled competitors, it's not a fair play.

Take BIKE UK for example. Latest edition makes the GS bike of the year. Yeah it's a really good bike (I rode it,and I was impressed) but they don't live with them for a while, or wrench, or pay for the maintenance /upkeep.

besides, the latest, and flashiest, allways gets the nod.

BIKE has been super critical about the tenere, barely mention it (they did do a 7000 mile review on their longtermer, they were impressed by the bullet proof one ran by Nick Sanders) but it's because of the market they have in europe. All their bikes are heavly biased for on road use. I think they miss the point of the ST.

Used as intended, the ST is great. It's not the fastest/smoothest/latest thing on the market, but in the middle of no-where, without anyone with you, it's the bike I would take hands down, everytime.
 

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greg the pole said:
besides, the latest, and flashiest, allways gets the nod.
At best you can only judge on how you find them, and to ride I preferred the last model GS to the Yamaha, but not by much and the Yamaha won on everything that mattered long term - reliability, service costs, dealer backup (especially non franchised as few indies want to touch BMW's / Ducati's / Guzzi's etc)

Magazines have to come up with drivel for people to read, and pretend they can ride the latest superbikes to the limits and tell the difference, most of them are at least 10 seconds a lap of national Superstock lap times, a mate of mine has coached many journo's (rides as CSS coach) and said they vary from fairly competent to completely hopeless, but none are really quick - which is why they often use ex-racers....

... not that that helps because what would work for Rossi at his pace is probably not best for me at my pace.

And even with supersport bikes real owners do not ride them flat out everywhere, with bikes like ours even less so, but the road testers tend to compare on how good they are when being caned around in a manner few owners would so even if they report their findings accurately they are not a reflection of how most punters will find them during 99% of their own riding.

I know I would prefer the latest GS / KTM / Ducati for a quick blast, or even long term "ownership" if someone else was footing the bill and in the event of a failure would whisk a new bike to me right away, or if money was no object, in which case the KTM1190 would be my first port of call.

The BMW would still be a no, just because I would never hand them a penny of my cash ever again, I can forgive KTM and Guzzi a few foibles, not so much Ducati as they are not really a niche manufacturer anymore, the BMW attitude of build a flawed bike and let the punters beta test it annoys me, as does their attitude and arrogance, smarmy dealers and "superior" owners. ::009::
 

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longride said:
Since I actually worked as a motorcycle tester for the biggest online MC mag on the internet, I can tell you first hand how cooked the results of the 'comparos' are. You wouldn't believe some of the stories if I told you. Lets just say that test bike 'availability' and ad dollars play a bigger role than bike performance. I was removed for having the balls to tell the truth.
Please, do tell. Would love to hear the true dish on this!
 

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MurphCO said:
I would be interested to know what most of the testers actually ride themselves....
Those dudes were so poor they owned older rat bikes that they rode every day. They couldn't afford a BMW or Ducati if they saved for 20 years, so that is part of the reason they are so 'impressed'. Ad dollars and corporate pressure is right at the top of how a bike rates. Don't believe even one 'comparo'. They are cooked to a crisp.
 

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creggur said:
Please, do tell. Would love to hear the true dish on this!
Two quickies:

Honda stopped giving us bikes for two years because their bike got last place in the 'comparo'. After they relented, Honda did better in the tests. Imagine that!

How about 'comparos' and one-bike tests where the bikes were only ridden a total of about 20 miles, pictures taken, and the 'winner' based on the best ad copy? Happened more than once. Sometimes we rode lots. Other times the 'test' was a trip to lunch and back. True story.

I got canned because I told the truth on a Harley test. Like a gave a crap. My integrity wasn't for sale. I gotta tell that one in detail one day. Funny as hell!

Think it only happened to me or I am making this up?

Read this: http://rideapart.com/2010/07/leaked-docs-show-motorcyclist-caved-to-advertiser-pressure-fired-editor/

And that was over helmets! I exchanged a couple emails with Dexter Ford and I dig that guy!
 

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longride said:
Two quickies:

Honda stopped giving us bikes for two years because their bike got last place in the 'comparo'. After they relented, Honda did better in the tests. Imagine that!

How about 'comparos' and one-bike tests where the bikes were only ridden a total of about 20 miles, pictures taken, and the 'winner' based on the best ad copy? Happened more than once. Sometimes we rode lots. Other times the 'test' was a trip to lunch and back. True story.

I got canned because I told the truth on a Harley test. Like a gave a crap. My integrity wasn't for sale. I gotta tell that one in detail one day. Funny as hell!

Think it only happened to me or I am making this up?

Read this: http://rideapart.com/2010/07/leaked-docs-show-motorcyclist-caved-to-advertiser-pressure-fired-editor/

And that was over helmets! I exchanged a couple emails with Dexter Ford and I dig that guy!
Good stuff - and what most of us likely suspected.

Can't wait to hear the Harley story!
 

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greg the pole said:
All mags will be biased.
but mostly because it's a short term experience for them.
did they not do a major big trailie comparo in europe, which the ST loaner that was provided, was put throught the paces by some French journos who beat the crap out of the bike, rode it hard and put it away wet... so if it's going up against properly prepped and fettled competitors, it's not a fair play.

Take BIKE UK for example. Latest edition makes the GS bike of the year. Yeah it's a really good bike (I rode it,and I was impressed) but they don't live with them for a while, or wrench, or pay for the maintenance /upkeep.

besides, the latest, and flashiest, allways gets the nod.

BIKE has been super critical about the tenere, barely mention it (they did do a 7000 mile review on their longtermer, they were impressed by the bullet proof one ran by Nick Sanders) but it's because of the market they have in europe. All their bikes are heavly biased for on road use. I think they miss the point of the ST.

Used as intended, the ST is great. It's not the fastest/smoothest/latest thing on the market, but in the middle of no-where, without anyone with you, it's the bike I would take hands down, everytime.
 
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