Can I do the valve job on Super Tenere?

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I have done some mech. work on my other bikes, but never a valve job. I checked with the local Yamaha dealer. Their hourly rates are CAD $135/hr and they said 5 hrs for only a valve job. For a tune-up package that includes oil/valves/plugs it will be $1100 + parts + taxes. I am thinking I should do this myself. For those who have done it, what tools/parts do I need to buy? I have most tools + can borrow some like feeler gauges.
  • Gaskets?
  • what type of valve shim kits?
  • How many hours to budget?
  • Do I have to replace oil?
  • Should I change to manual CCT? (I have 2012 Gen1)

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I am excited to work on this by myself thru winter before riding season but also scared of messing up .
 

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Good reading here:


These are super. Thanks.
 

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Yep, at least replace your tensioner with the most recent model.
 

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I have done some mech. work on my other bikes, but never a valve job. I checked with the local Yamaha dealer. Their hourly rates are CAD $135/hr and they said 5 hrs for only a valve job. For a tune-up package that includes oil/valves/plugs it will be $1100 + parts + taxes. I am thinking I should do this myself. For those who have done it, what tools/parts do I need to buy? I have most tools + can borrow some like feeler gauges.
  • Gaskets?
  • what type of valve shim kits?
  • How many hours to budget?
  • Do I have to replace oil?
  • Should I change to manual CCT? (I have 2012)


  • How many miles are on it? Is the picture yours or someone else's? Marking the chain and sprockets like that saves time and ensures proper reinstallation. Get a service manual and follow it. Use a large magnet if you have to pull the shim buckets.

    Gaskets - most times can be reused. Cover gasket works best if stuck on the cover with proper adhesive.

    Shim kits - Pro X or Hot Cams. 9.48mm. Kits can be ordered in .05 or +/-.025 increments. 3 of each size. If you got both you could get the best fit. You can also reuse and move shims around to get the best results. Most of the shims in the kit will never be used. If you have time to wait, take measurements and order just what you need OEM.

    Hours to budget - varies based on your skill level and confidence. I go slow and measure 2 or 3 times, triple check chain and cams, etc. I will take 2 days. Others can do it in half a day.

    Oil change - Not necessarily required (no significant leakage will occur). However, the engine is open and exposed, so contamination is possible. I try to time mine when the oil is due any way, do the valve adjustment, make sure it is all back together and running. Then I go ahead and change the oil.

    New CCT recommended for Gen 1s. The real question is manual CCT or automatic OEM. There is a learned technique to reseting the automatic. Many others swear by the manual CCTs. I have stuck with the OEM.

    Good Luck! Have patience and take your time.



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Sure. You can do it. Throw in a MCCT. You will need 1-2 size Torqe wrenches. The inside of the motor is very critical to TQ properly.
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Besides a torque wrench and a set of feeler gauges, it doesn't take anything special....and those aren't what I would consider specialty tools.

Just doing the clearance check itself is pretty simple. You may be one of the lucky ones who doesn't need to adjust the valves. I wouldn't bank on it that, though. Anyway, while you're to the point of doing the check you're already in there for the air filter and spark plugs.

My suggestion in a case like this is to bribe one of your friends who may have some more experience than you do. Buy good steaks and good drinks. Have them stand over your shoulder helping you, and they can jump in as needed. Heck, if your buddy lives across the country you could fly them out for the weekend cheaper than taking it in. I could be your buddy, I'm free most of the time and I love to travel, and I love good steaks and good drinks.

Here's my video, may be helpful or may not be. I did a bit of a "cheat" to make it easier but it's really not that much trouble to take all the stuff off the right side to get in there to see the timing marks. I did the manual cam chain tensioner during the first valve adjustment, zero regrets and never had to mess with it after initial setup.

 

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Besides a torque wrench and a set of feeler gauges, it doesn't take anything special....and those aren't what I would consider specialty tools.

Just doing the clearance check itself is pretty simple. You may be one of the lucky ones who doesn't need to adjust the valves. I wouldn't bank on it that, though. Anyway, while you're to the point of doing the check you're already in there for the air filter and spark plugs.

My suggestion in a case like this is to bribe one of your friends who may have some more experience than you do. Buy good steaks and good drinks. Have them stand over your shoulder helping you, and they can jump in as needed. Heck, if your buddy lives across the country you could fly them out for the weekend cheaper than taking it in. I could be your buddy, I'm free most of the time and I love to travel, and I love good steaks and good drinks.

Here's my video, may be helpful or may not be. I did a bit of a "cheat" to make it easier but it's really not that much trouble to take all the stuff off the right side to get in there to see the timing marks. I did the manual cam chain tensioner during the first valve adjustment, zero regrets and never had to mess with it after initial setup.

That is an amazing idea and offer, thanks! And you are in the same time-zone too. I have a place to stay and can provide free drinks & food! But steaks you have order in, we don't do red-meats in our home
 

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  • How many miles are on it? Is the picture yours or someone else's?

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Thank you for your helpful tips.

I just brought the S10 used it is a 2012 Gen 1 with 80k miles. I am the 3rd owner and the 2nd owner sold it within 3 months of buying (he did not like it for rough trails and went with Africa twin). So I have no way of knowing what kind of service was done on it and if valves were ever checked. The engine runs and sounds smooth to me though with distinct clicking noises from the valves. See and hear it here - https://photos.app.goo.gl/kDr53ucUNoLrT7e5A

You can see my other bike too (Vstar 650) in the vid. The S10 I bought to try multi-day long-distance trips with my wife. IMO, it is one of the rare ADVs that is capable of hauling 2 up + stuff.

Thank you for the great tips.
 

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Thank you for your helpful tips.

I just brought the S10 used it is a 2012 Gen 1 with 80k miles. I am the 3rd owner and the 2nd owner sold it within 3 months of buying (he did not like it for rough trails and went with Africa twin). So I have no way of knowing what kind of service was done on it and if valves were ever checked.
With that mileage I would guess the valves have been checked but you never know. If the CCT has a 2BS on it that would indicate a 2nd Gen CCT, increase the likelyhood of a prior adjustment, and it could be reset and reused. If it is and you go that route we can talk you though resetting it.



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If your CCT isn't the Gen2 version Holligl described, then definitely either get one or buy a Graves MCCT. With that mileage you're definitely due for a replacement if it's still the original.

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I believe there's now a third generation CCT;. The updated model first put into the 2014 model has been replaced with another updated model. If you look on an OEM parts site like Rocky Mountain, they have the most current part number.
 

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That is an amazing idea and offer, thanks! And you are in the same time-zone too. I have a place to stay and can provide free drinks & food! But steaks you have order in, we don't do red-meats in our home
I'm okay without red meat if that's the house rule. My passport is ready... :D
 

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I believe there's now a third generation CCT;. The updated model first put into the 2014 model has been replaced with another updated model. If you look on an OEM parts site like Rocky Mountain, they have the most current part number.
Thanks. Will do my CCT vs MCCT research.

Found this thread too https://yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?threads/manual-cct-and-wow-what-a-difference.14617/ . From here found that there is a 3rd choice too, APE CCT (part YTR1-09-PRO )
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