BMW recall 440,000 bikes....moments of appreciation

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Like I said in an earlier post, I don't think there's even a universal definition of what a motorcycle's "fundamentals" are. I think that talking about motorcycle fundamentals is sometimes a symptom of nostalgia. It comes down to something like this: "Bikes aren't like they were when I was younger. I grew up being able to adjust my carburetor myself, and replace the points, and it was air cooled and didn't have things like radiators and water pumps. I was comfortable with that tech. I was younger, and learning things was easier. Now I'm older, and bikes are more complicated, and I'm not comfortable with things like fuel injection and fuel pumps and VVT and ABS and TFT etc. And because my comfort level with this newer technology has been exceeded, I long for the days when I had a better understanding of the technology I was using, and felt more in control of it".

Alvin Toffler called it "Future Shock", and wrote a book about it. It basically says that modern changes in society and technology occur at such an accelerated rate that it leaves people in a state of unease and disorientation. And he wrote that book back in 1970, well before the dawn of personal computers, smart phones, and worldwide connectivity.

I certainly feel it myself, probably more in the social framework than the technological, but the tech can be intimidating to someone like me that was born in the mid 60's. And nostalgia is a very pretty powerful drug, and it's pretty normal to long for the days when you were younger, and felt more like you had a handle on things. So eyeing newer technologies with suspicion and distrust is a normal reaction to future shock, and it comes out in ways like "all that newfangled tech is just something that'll break and leave you stranded". That is, at least in some people, a defense mechanism against the unease people feel about change.
An alternative attitude is to resolve to learn what you need to know about new technology. I’ve always been a bit of a techie anyway, in spite of being born in the early 50s. The new tech doesn’t really intimidate me, and I can’t say I long for older days, well accept for my younger, stronger body, I’d like to have that back!

I will admit to frustration with poorly designed user interfaces, but this is more a matter of execution than the technology itself.

I think a bit of technology that rarely fails, if ever, is preferable to the old school stuff that failed frequently, even if it was cheaper and simpler to fix. When I first started riding, you didn’t get very far if you weren’t at least somewhat mechanically adept. Nowadays we have riders joining the fray that don’t even know how to change their oil. Without the improvements technology brings, most would be excluded from participation.


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They are the same as the local yamaha dealer imports them from France.
There are different scenarios for handling the key:
1- copy the code with the locksmith so that in future if you need a copy you don't go through the hassle
2- Flash the immobiliser so that it does not require a code to start and you just need a copy of the key (5 $ key cost and 20$ flash cost)
3- make a copy of the key which is 5$ for the key and around 15$ for the chip + code
Not simple and straightforward then, especially if you lose a key when out and about.
 

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Not simple and straightforward then, especially if you lose a key when out and about.
Yes but it does not have the detection/range issues I shared in a link above...and the process + cost of replacement is significantly easier and cheaper compared to the advanced Fob keys..just saying
 

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An alternative attitude is to resolve to learn what you need to know about new technology.
I believe that, as we age, there are real physical and mental limitations as to how much we can learn and adapt to the rapid pace of changing technology, even if we resolve to. It's one reason why it's much more difficult to learn a foreign language at 50 than it is at 15, regardless of the dedication of an older person. Mental flexibility fades with age, just like physical flexibility. I could resolve to go into training to climb El Capitan, but all the resolve in the world won't overcome the limitations of a bad knee and sciatica.

Another factor is that an older person might not see any value in keeping up with rapidly changing tech. The experience of trying to convince an older relative of the need to have a cell phone is fairly universal. My girlfriend's mother is in her 90's and lives alone, so we've repeatedly tried to convince her of the actual necessity of keeping her phone on her all the time in case something happens. It's fruitless. Most of her adult years were spent without one, and all the logical arguments in the world can't overcome the inertia of a lifetime of not having a cell phone. I suspect that a lot of us in our age bracket will hit that technology wall when cybernetic implants become available. Young people will love it, while I don't think any argument Elon Musk can come up with will every sway me to have one implanted.
 

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I believe that, as we age, there are real physical and mental limitations as to how much we can learn and adapt to the rapid pace of changing technology, even if we resolve to. It's one reason why it's much more difficult to learn a foreign language at 50 than it is at 15, regardless of the dedication of an older person. Mental flexibility fades with age, just like physical flexibility. I could resolve to go into training to climb El Capitan, but all the resolve in the world won't overcome the limitations of a bad knee and sciatica.

Another factor is that an older person might not see any value in keeping up with rapidly changing tech. The experience of trying to convince an older relative of the need to have a cell phone is fairly universal. My girlfriend's mother is in her 90's and lives alone, so we've repeatedly tried to convince her of the actual necessity of keeping her phone on her all the time in case something happens. It's fruitless. Most of her adult years were spent without one, and all the logical arguments in the world can't overcome the inertia of a lifetime of not having a cell phone. I suspect that a lot of us in our age bracket will hit that technology wall when cybernetic implants become available. Young people will love it, while I don't think any argument Elon Musk can come up with will every sway me to have one implanted.
Moving off topic here. Please feel free to start a new thread in the lounge
 

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I believe that, as we age, there are real physical and mental limitations as to how much we can learn and adapt to the rapid pace of changing technology, even if we resolve to. It's one reason why it's much more difficult to learn a foreign language at 50 than it is at 15, regardless of the dedication of an older person. Mental flexibility fades with age, just like physical flexibility. I could resolve to go into training to climb El Capitan, but all the resolve in the world won't overcome the limitations of a bad knee and sciatica.

Another factor is that an older person might not see any value in keeping up with rapidly changing tech. The experience of trying to convince an older relative of the need to have a cell phone is fairly universal. My girlfriend's mother is in her 90's and lives alone, so we've repeatedly tried to convince her of the actual necessity of keeping her phone on her all the time in case something happens. It's fruitless. Most of her adult years were spent without one, and all the logical arguments in the world can't overcome the inertia of a lifetime of not having a cell phone. I suspect that a lot of us in our age bracket will hit that technology wall when cybernetic implants become available. Young people will love it, while I don't think any argument Elon Musk can come up with will every sway me to have one implanted.
I feel the age is not an issue because I was born in 1981 and yet I do not see value in some tech aspects of bikes and life generally...though I do most of my shopping online, have some social media accounts, been work from home for almost the past 3 years, domotic system in my home, my wife tells me that I am a phone addict because I do all my business and trading on my phone etc...yet I am not a tech savy if you see what I mean...and it is not about the capacity to lean or adapt to new tech
 

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Thr problem is not in understanding the new technology….The problem is in understanding “the system”….if you understand how a certain system works….you will quickly realize that the technology only represents the way of executing the system….I can quote As an example, the ignition of an engine…. In the old technology, a coil (always +), waited for a signal (-) that was sent by a platinum, to discharge its energy to the spark plug. In the new technology, a coil (always +), waits for a signal (-), which will be sent by the ecu….the system did not change, it only changed the way of managing the system….Another example would be the admission , in the old technology, the vacuum generated by a piston, caused gasoline to be sucked from a tank in the carburetor and the element that regulated the vacuum and the suction, was a butterfly in the throttle body….In current technology, the same vacuum is generated by the same piston, there is a sensor that measures the vacuum, and based on that vacuum it injects fuel….the one that regulates the vacuum, is still a butterfly in the throttle body….which regulates the injector ( always +)?…..the ecu, it sends a signal (-)….the injector always injects the same quantity when it opens, the ecu regulates “the time and moment” of opening…..the system did not change, only change the way of administering the system. Another system could be that of the suspension, the old preload and rebound regulations were always "turning something manually"... the new technology also regulates the suspension, turning the same as decades ago, only that turning is done by an engine electric…..the system did not change in this case either, only the way of managing it changed….
 

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Funny thing a bout the weight. I find the S10 much easier ro ride than my 800 Triumph Tiger.
ha not possible, and I had the 800 XRX and have the S10, nothing to compare here. the tiger feels (and IS) much lighter than the S10
 
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In any case, we should no longer worry about the problems of the GS 1200A, GS 1200A/LC, or the GS 1250A/LC….the GS1300 FULL LC is almost out the door of the factory.
 

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In any case, we should no longer worry about the problems of the GS 1200A, GS 1200A/LC, or the GS 1250A/LC….the GS1300 FULL LC is almost out the door of the factory.
2023: GS 1300
2024: GS 1350
2025: GS 1400
2026: GS 1450
2027: (BMW engineers...1500 is a bit too much...let us reset the count!) 1000 cc (lighter is better)
2028: GS 1050 (lighter and a bit more powerful!)
2029: GS 1100
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BMW engines are made in China, specifically the 850 plus others and the Tiger is made entirely in Thailand. Who does this benefit? The CFO and no one else. There is no level of marketing bullshit that "It's a world class facility" or "Assembled" in Germany will convince me these company's have nothing more than their bottom line on their mind. Customers are just a nuisance. It will always be a hard pass for me on these brands.
 

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BMW engines are made in China, specifically the 850 plus others and the Tiger is made entirely in Thailand. Who does this benefit? The CFO and no one else. There is no level of marketing bullshit that "It's a world class facility" or "Assembled" in Germany will convince me these company's have nothing more than their bottom line on their mind. Customers are just a nuisance. It will always be a hard pass for me on these brands.
China's problem is not that it manufactures engines for BMW, the problem is that they learn. They learn to improve their production processes, and who should avoid "showing" their processes/qualities... ends up teaching them. And now?….the student competes with the teacher….the student is more powerful than the teacher. Voge 650 uses the 650 engine used by the gs 650….and so with other motorcycles and engines…..Many years ago, you had to do espionage, to know the materials and manufacturing methods…..today, what could be “ spied on”……it takes that information to the door of the competitor’s factory
something similar happened with Honda, when Honda stopped manufacturing the Monkey Dax 70cc…Chinese factories began to mass-produce it. Well, today "never" have so many dax been sold in the world since they were manufactured in China... Such is the case that Honda, seeing the success that the monkeys had again, began to manufacture them again, but only sells a couple of them. hundreds in the world, because they are very expensive
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China's problem is not that it manufactures engines for BMW, the problem is that they learn. They learn to improve their production processes, and who should avoid "showing" their processes/qualities... ends up teaching them. And now?….the student competes with the teacher….the student is more powerful than the teacher. Voge 650 uses the 650 engine used by the gs 650….and so with other motorcycles and engines…..Many years ago, you had to do espionage, to know the materials and manufacturing methods…..today, what could be “ spied on”……it takes that information to the door of the competitor’s factory
something similar happened with Honda, when Honda stopped manufacturing the Monkey Dax 70cc…Chinese factories began to mass-produce it. Well, today "never" have so many dax been sold in the world since they were manufactured in China... Such is the case that Honda, seeing the success that the monkeys had again, began to manufacture them again, but only sells a couple of them. hundreds in the world, because they are very expensive
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While it may apply to Japanese bikes, the German one has transmitted its design diseases to the Chinese I guess....so they will just spread it when copying it...just saying....classic case of transmission by contact
 

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While it may apply to Japanese bikes, the German one has transmitted its design diseases to the Chinese I guess....so they will just spread it when copying it...just saying....classic case of transmission by contact
 

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Known x3 users of mine complained about the quality of some materials when x3s stopped coming from Austria and started coming out of the US. When they found out that THE X3 no longer came from the US (apparently from South Africa, I didn't even know)…..they didn't like having a German car anymore, that came from another country….they simply changed to Mercedes Benz GL, which at least They know it's made in the USA.
 
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