mcbrien
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Whats the advantage of the Arrow headers ? I realize no cat but what else ?
R U talking about the Arrow or Akra muffler?...I wasn't aware the the Akra had a Db killer.Mellow said:I have just the exhaust and really like the sound. Just a bit more growl. I leave the silencer in but even with it out it's just a deeper growl, I couldn't tell if it was any louder. I'm happy with the OEM power.
Just the Arrow sorry.Tenerator12 said:R U talking about the Arrow or Akra muffler?...I wasn't aware the the Akra had a Db killer.
+1. This is backed up by info from several posters who have fitted the Arrow headers without addressing the fuel mapping. Funny thing is there are still people who 'poo, poo' at anyone trying to tell them this, but they inevitably come to the same conclusion.Karson said:aside from better flow due to no cats, another one is the extra O2 sensor bung for an autotune. if you don't run a PC V + AT or an ecu flash, then you can plug it with the included threaded plug, but you really should have it remappped in one fashion or another - otherwise it'll run way too lean beyond what the factory ecu can accomodate.
bacon said:I had my heart set on getting The Arrow catless headers with a re flash and PCV with auto tune.
But the more I think about it the more inclined not to go this route.
Mainly I just wanted to get rid of the cat and the heat assocated with it and dial out on low speed stumbles.
But in all reality I don't need more power yes it might be a good bragging right but realy the power it has is not a hold back for me.
I love the idea of getting rid of all the restrictions bult in to the factory ECM and making the moror run the way it should in all the gears and from idle to red line.
But the difference in cost between just getting a slip on can and going the whole 9 yards is almost 2 grand.
At this point I am thinking that I will just go with the slip on and live with the power it now has.
Dallara said:If you really want to save money, but make the bike run quite a bit better - i.e. get rid of the low-speed stumble, etc. - then skip the slip-on. Instead just get the re-flash. After all, even the most expensive re-flash is cheaper than any decent quality slip-on, IIRC. Hence, it has a much better cost/benefit ratio, and won't make as much noise. Stock mufflers are quite a bit tougher and a lot more reliable than any aftermarket slip-on exhaust, too.
However, if all you are looking for is sound, and want the bike to run no better than stock, and maybe quite a bit worse, by all means... Just get the slip-on.
Dallara
Good points but I am not happy with the sound of the stock exhaust the motor make more noise than it does. I am not wanting a Harley with drag pipes noise just some deep base rumble.
Also if I re flash now but in the future decide to go with the headers and PCV I will have to re flash losing that money twice
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??? If all you're wanting to do is get rid of the throttle dampening (read: stumble at take off) a 20 cent fuse will do the trick in the clutch switch and will save you hundreds over a re-flash. I'm sure that there are other intangibles to be discovered with a re-flash that I'm not aware of, though.Dallara said:Stock mufflers are quite a bit tougher and a lot more reliable than any aftermarket slip-on exhaust, to
However, if all you are looking for is sound, and want the bike to run no better than stock, and maybe quite a bit worse, by all means... Just get the slip-on.
Dallara