Another Demo Day (PA)

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TEN YC said:
interesting but the roads look like crap for motorcycle riding over there. I've also heard that it's a really bad dealer. But who knows I might go anyway. thanks for posting
The roads are available, it just takes a few miles to get to them. In general though the Philly 'burbs are no WV or he equivalent.

As far as the dealer being bad - I have heard stories both ways. Mainly I think the gripes focus around them not wanting to deal on the purchases as much as some like. I have no experience with their sales or service departments, but I have bought a load of gear from them since they have a pretty decent selection. If I had to sum it all up I'd say they're average.
 

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elizilla said:
Philly? I mapquested for Hatfield PA and it puts it about halfway between Pittsburgh and Morgantown WV. But seeing your post, I went back and mapquested for the exact address on the flyer, and dammit, it is coming up at the Philly end of the state. That's annoying. Are there two Hatfield PAs???

There's no way I can work until 6pm on Friday, and get there before they close on Saturday, not if I want to be in any shape to ride someone else's bike. Argh!

I guess it's a good thing I didn't ride to Pittsburgh yet.

Back to the list of demos. Where oh where can I meet this demo truck...?
It isn't in Hatfield, either, but just south Souderton, where 113 and 309 cross, just off 309.
 

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Yamaguy55 said:
It isn't in Hatfield, either, but just south Souderton, where 113 and 309 cross, just off 309.
Well, the address given on the flyer, that is linked in the first post in this thread, says it's in Hatfield. Apologies for assuming that this actually means something. :)
 

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elizilla said:
Well, the address given on the flyer, that is linked in the first post in this thread, says it's in Hatfield. Apologies for assuming that this actually means something. :)
Venture's map above is correct. We have some funky locations here, the MC Shop falls within the zip code for Hatfield, PA. There is actually a Hatfield Borough (small city) and a larger Hatfield Township which covers a much larger area both of which fall within that same area code, it gets a bit confusing when you have all these locations bearing the same or very similar names. I think there are like a dozen Township Line or County Line Roads around here as well - stupid planners. :'(
 

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elizilla said:
Well, the address given on the flyer, that is linked in the first post in this thread, says it's in Hatfield. Apologies for assuming that this actually means something. :)
Still another thing about PA is that your address may not actually be all that close to where it says, it is just the delivering post office. I live about ten miles from the town I have as an address. I almost live closer to the adjoining town, which also has a delivering post office. We have odd and confusing down over here in PA, along with some truly inspiring place names, such as desire, Panic, drain lick, Intercourse, Blue Ball, and a host of others. Consider it oddball free entertainment. And great to confuse the enemy.

Hatfield is close, but I believe that in reality, Souderton is closer. My kids went to Souderton schools, I know the area very well.

As far as road names go, we have quite a few "Street Road"s as well. Again, to confuse the enemy.

But at least we don't do the standard Jersey stuff: you can plainly see where it is you want to go, you just can't get there from where you are. Great fun!
 

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By the way: now that I've fully confused the out of state types, anyone on here going to be at this demo? I have about a 2.5 hour ride to get there, hope to be there sometime around 11 or noon, 3T & RC permitting. (3T & RC= Tourists, Twits, Trucks & Road Construction)

If so, I'll see you there.
 

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I think I'll go again. I would like to go Friday, but I don't think I'll get there early enough. So I'll leave early Saturday morning and try to get there for 9'ish. After that I'm heading north to lehighton, pa in a round about way :)
 

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We have other commitments Saturday, or I'd try for then. They ( the weather liars) claim it will rain Saturday.
 

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That's too bad, could've rode with you partway back up to your neck of the woods. All I see right now for weather is hot and mostly sunny.

If something changes for Friday, I'll try and make it. Damn work is always getting in the way of my riding. Sheesh.
 

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Well, I am running up at lunch on Friday. My office is only about a 20 minute ride there and the weather looks to be excellent. The last Friday Demo day the ST was there it was raining and they would not let it go out, luckily it cleared sat and I did get a ride on it last time round.

I may ride up Saturday as well and give a go on some of the other bikes that will be there for Demo's. I really need (well want) a new helmet so I may shop for one, but the accessory counter guy always yells at me because I prefer a modular helmet over a full face but that is a whole other story ^-^
 

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I'm going to be there on Friday as well. My brother-in-law lives nearby, and he said Saturday will be crazy. It's about a three hour drive for me. I'm also interested in riding the new FZ8. I just sold two bikes, so the Tenere can't get here soon enough for me. Yamaha is coming out with some nice bikes; I will also be looking at the Stryker and the 950 V-Star. BUT, the Tenere is the reason I'm there.
 

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crockett said:
I'm going to be there on Friday as well. My brother-in-law lives nearby, and he said Saturday will be crazy. It's about a three hour drive for me. I'm also interested in riding the new FZ8. I just sold two bikes, so the Tenere can't get here soon enough for me. Yamaha is coming out with some nice bikes; I will also be looking at the Stryker and the 950 V-Star. BUT, the Tenere is the reason I'm there.
It is supposed to be quite hot, so I'm going to leave extra early and try and get there mid morning. I'm also interested in the FZ8; I wish they had brought over the Fazer 8, not the stripped one. I find I want the wind protection. But I'm also not an urban rider, so I'm not the target audience for this. Of course for urban use, the WR250X is a better choice, but most won't see it that way.
( who can use and needs 800cc and 140 MPH+ in a city?)

See you there.
 

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I went, I saw, I rode.


what a great bike. I currently ride a Tiger 1050 and this bike improves on nearly every aspect of it. When I got back on the tiger to go home, it felt so crude by comparison. Don't get me wrong- the tiger is a great bike, but the Super Tenere is fantastic.
 

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I finally got down there, and got on the list, had the ride, such as it was, at 2:10PM. Got about a twenty minute spin in suburbs/urban sprawl. Quite warm, but even so, in that area, with that traffic,I did the ATGATT thing and roasted.
Going in, I really didn't know what to expect. I know what I hoped, but that often isn't reality.
What I started on, and grew up on, were the late sixties/early seventies Yamaha Enduros, and I still prefer that feel over all others. Well, it dawned on me about five minutes into the ride that what I was on was an overgrown Enduro or late seventies IT model, not the ergos of most modern bikes. Great! If nothing else, that put it in my top three, just for the ergos.
Here's my take:
- best seat I've sat on fitted to a modern bike in a long time. I doubt I'll have to change it.
- First gear is a tad high for my taste: slowest I could go was about 9-10 MPH. The ratios are quite far apart, it really is a wide ratio trans: no more drop two gears and gas it to pass. No need. The demo bike popped a lot at closed throttle at low revs, ran like it was pretty lean. Sort of like the rental car you get at the airport: has the maintenance done, but you can tell it is a rental car. Same thing here. It was a black one.
- The dash indication of estimated fuel mileage showed 48.7 when I got on, showed 48.6 when I got off. I'd say that was quite good for third gear suburban riding in start stop situations. I'll need a break before I'm forced to get a fuel stop.
- I'm somewhat short at 5'8", had no difficulty reaching the ground with my 30" inseam legs. Drastically better than my nosebleed WRR.
- The engine doesn't seem to care all that much which gear it is in. It does seem a bit peppier at 4K and above, but you can grunt away in too tall a gear, or two gears too tall, with no problem. It has plenty of getup and go, it just doesn't seem to by the sound and feel. Very relaxed power delivery, not frantic like a sport bike. I would guess that 6th gear will not be used much until out on open, high speed highways. My FZ will pul at 30 MPH in 6th, at 2000 RPM, but the ST seems to prefer a lower gear for that stuff.
- There were a few chances to use some throttle, not a handful, but about 1/2 to 3/4 on the short ride, and I closed up the slack in the group quite easily at 3500 RPM starting revs and pulled right up on the FZ8 guy.
- It isn't a sport bike in the cornering department, nor was it expected to be. The relaxed rake and long wheelbase could be felt on tight corners. The flip side of this was the stability when I was intentionally hitting any and all holes and bumps to test the suspension, which is quite plush. I would imagine that this will be a superior two up bike for any use. The suspension seems to be very good. Maybe something else I can leave as is.

What I wanted from this bike was a comfortable, capable, sturdy bike that could be just as good two up as solo, enough power to not only be capable and safe in tough situations, but with extra to keep the fun part of motorcycling. Good suspension, and great Ergos were a must. And the vibration can't put my old goat hands asleep. It doesn't.But i will remove the El-Crappo stock grips and replace them with the PG Dual Sport Grips that I have on everything else. I can deal with grips, it is changing the seat that I have a problem with.
Well, I have received not only all of that, but my old DT3's Ergonomics and feel as well:I consider this one of the absolute top points.
This is well worth the blind faith I put in it. I'm sold.

Now all it has to do is show up.
 

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Great report Yamaguy55!!!! I like your comparison to the old enduro bikes!!!

Thanks for sharing!

Rod
 

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Thanks for posting your thoughts on the S10! I too am mainly concerned with the ergonomics and it sounds like this is what I have been looking for. I envy you guys who have had a chance to ride the bike at a demo event. There were none in my area so reading other's impressions is helpful.
 

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MotorcopBBQ said:
Another great write up. Ah, I am counting down the days until the Wisconsin Demo.....AH cannot wait
Anxious to hear your perspective on the SuperT as well! Perhaps you will make the plunge and pull the trigger on one after you ride the bike!!

:)
 

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To say I was very positively impressed would be an understatement. One of the things I was looking for was a delay or flat spot off idle due to the FI/fly-by-wire. I didn't detect anything. This may end up replacing all of my current bikes. We'll see after actual ownership.

One thing I can't stress enough is my liking the riding position. I really really really like the "Enduro/IT" feel. Can you tell I prefer that?

One other thing I forgot to mention: even at the limited speeds and time on the bike, I can tell the alternate windscreen and side deflectors will be a desired accessory. I had quite a bit of wind buffeting.Better than no screen, but not as full coverage as my FZ.

Any misspellings and other stoopid grammar is due to me posting this from Yamagal59's MacBookPro, which likes to change every word I type to some other thing. I hate wisea** machines that think they know better. The reason I bring this up is that many modern electronically controlled vehicles are always trying to outsmart you and do what is best in spite of what you want. My car is this way, and is generally in the wrong gear because it "knows better," which it obviously doesn't. I detected no "mothering" from the electronics while riding. Good: I'd hate to have to beat a $14K bike with a plank to get it to behave.
 
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