2019 Tenere ?

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If you have a BMW itch then go scratch it. If you have the means then it's your money, go buy one. They are a nice bike with lots of toys (when fully specced) and are popular for a reason. I test rode one before buying my super10 and really liked it. It was the horror stories of other owners that put me off. You pays your money and takes your choice. I'm happy with my choice...!
I am with Tallpaul on this. I really liked the BMW I just did not see the value in the additional $$. Fortnine's review described the Super T as "boring" yup, I agree but then what I wanted was a bike that did what I needed it to. Yes, it could be quicker. Yes it could be quieter. The list goes on but going back to what I needed it to do, it does it all. I still believe it was the best value and I have no regrets.

By all means, if you see the value in the extra $$ (what ever they be) then go for it!

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Guys, I'm looking at the GS NOT GSA!

The fueling issue I have is the on-off throttle response, even in T Mode. With the bike in S mode it's almost un-ridable in the city. Also, I want more power!

Useless they make major changes to the 2019 model, I think I'm jumping ship!
https://www.motorcyclesofmilwaukee.com/default.asp?page=xNewInventoryDetail&id=5818137&p=2&vc=adventure&s=Year&d=D&t=new&vt=motorcycle / scooter&fr=xNewInventory
OK, here's a GS. I see a GSA in my future.
 

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Yamaha putting more horse power in the Tenere? Doubt it, and nowhere near the BMW. They have had ample opportunity to do that already, but seem to be happy with what they have, or maybe adding 5-10 more. Reliability over excess horsepower. A bike that just works, and only needs normal maintenance. Call it boring, As far as fueling, either you adapt to it, do a tune, or hate it. I had no problem adapting, but if you think this is bad, ride a stock Honda ST1300. Talk about "snatchyness".

You want a BMW, so go buy it. And enjoy it. Like I said earlier, they are nice bikes, and obviously very popular. No need to justify here, and really no need for us to say how much the Tenere is better or worse. Get the 1200, not the new 1250. Too many new parts/redesign in the engine, and BMW is well known to release bikes that really are not ready for prime time. Too bad they don't take Yamaha's approach of extended testing, they would interest me more if they did.

I can see Yamaha putting on the new color display on the 2019, as they have on a number of other bikes already. One of the reasons why I am waiting for the 2019.

Edit: When I commuted with the bike through rush hour in Los Angeles, splitting traffic, I stayed in "S" mode. I did not like the "slowness" on power in "T" mode on the stock ECM. I can "walk" the bike in "S" mode, and with 62K miles on it, the clutch plates still look good.
 
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Ok Goldwing thanks for your reply explaining what you meant by fueling issues ! sounds very similar to the issue I’m having with my new 2018 sometimes, my 2013 never did that, my 2018 doesn’t do it all the time but I now have 1,500 miles on it and it does seem to be getting worse.
 

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Guys, I'm looking at the GS NOT GSA!

The fueling issue I have is the on-off throttle response, even in T Mode. With the bike in S mode it's almost un-ridable in the city.
You can re-flash the ECM for $200 - $300 and solve the throttle issues. I think a header and aftermarket silencer accompanied by the appropriate ECM flash will add a few ponies, Not sure how many, maybe 10? Pretty close to the GS in power at that point. You won't get the prestigious BMW Roundel but you'll keep a lot of $$ in your pocket.
 

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Guys, I'm looking at the GS NOT GSA!

The fueling issue I have is the on-off throttle response, even in T Mode. With the bike in S mode it's almost un-ridable in the city. Also, I want more power!

Useless they make major changes to the 2019 model, I think I'm jumping ship!
Off fueling response. Right, so fix it. There are basic things to do for that. And if those don't make it 'rideable' for you, there is the Flash option, one of the most flexible and custom tailored being offered by a forum member here.

The people that bitch about off throttle response the most seem to be comparing to carb bikes. That aside, have you adjusted the throttle cable to remove the excess slack? Have you balanced the throttle bodies? Have you, after those first two, played with the CO settings at all?

I find throttle response in T mode to be slow and have always used S mode. Coming from the FJR, the throttle by wire of the Super Ten took me a bit to adjust to, as it requires a finer throttle control with the hand. Just as EFI bikes require some rider adjustment when they come from carb bikes. Riders that come strait from carb bikes to the EFI and Throttle by wire Super Ten often find it difficult to adjust. It's a steep learning curve to develop muscle memory and adjust your movements to be more precise.

Good luck if you buy a BMW. Heed my advice to purchase a good, unlimited mileage, transferable aftermarket warranty. Regardless of how long you think you will keep it or ride it. BMW's bread and butter is buyers that trade in every couple of years to a new bike. They never run out of warranty and have fewer issues than people that actually ride the bikes. The wife's earlier GS warranty was done in one year because she passed the mileage limit of 36K. We had already had the trans rebuilt since she "rode too much in 6th gear". The dealers lame excuse for the gears galling, which was really sub standard heat treating specs on the gears. The stator failed shortly after that. Then the water pump, then the water pump again, followed shortly by engine melt down for combined reasons.

Like you, I have a lot of friends that ride BMWs. I've lost track of all the failures. Last one I heard of was last weekend. Rider suffered a drive shaft failure on his RT. Not uncommon and expensive to repair at the dealer, often damaging other parts. Occurred just outside the warranty period.
 

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Similar experience(s) the 1150RT I rode. GREAT bike while it was under warranty. It then turned into a pile of crap. Like Eric said, when the drive shaft goes, it takes out other things; primarily the clutch. Broke two. Throttle by wire just takes acclimation time. The more you ride, the quicker the acclimation. Highway riding doesn't work; you have to work the gas, and clutch to get the "feel". I don't even have to pay attention to my throttle/clutch work anymore; second nature. :D
 

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Sure will be glad when the 2019 Tenere comes out.
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If you’re unhappy with the fuel mapping, fix it. The cost is minor compared whatever upgrades you’ll do to a BMW.
 

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I haven't had much experience with BMW other than a test ride 3 or 4 years ago but i do have a friend that dropped a 1200 RT in his driveway and the insurance company totaled it. of course the RT's have lots more "plastic" but most of the cost of the rebuild was labor.

that just doesn't seem right to me.
 

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Guys, I'm looking at the GS NOT GSA!

Useless they make major changes to the 2019 model, I think I'm jumping ship!
Sometimes you gotta try something new, it will either work for you or it won't.....no big deal.

If you do go in that direction, come on back and give us some comparisons? I hope it works for you either way, best of luck buddy!
 

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I know about BMW's not so good reliability history but I did ride a 2013 GS and was blown away. I think in everyway it was better than my 2014 S10.

Regarding fueling, I hate to have to buy a bike and then "fix" it! The other fueling issue is the know stalling issue off idle, it just happened to me again this week.

We'll see what Yamaha does for 2019.
 

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I know about BMW's not so good reliability history but I did ride a 2013 GS and was blown away. I think in everyway it was better than my 2014 S10.

Regarding fueling, I hate to have to buy a bike and then "fix" it! The other fueling issue is the know stalling issue off idle, it just happened to me again this week.
Stop rationalizing. If you want the BMW, buy it. You will regret it, but that's just from my personal, real world experience. ;)

As to "fixing it" We are talking about settings and adjustments done by Yamaha due to EPA regulations. They lean things down to pass the tests. Correcting that so it runs better is not a big deal. Besides, when was the last time you spent money on something for the bike that didn't come on it? Really? I have custom seats that cost more than a flash would. A lot more. We change the bikes to fit our needs. This is no different. You're bitching about what is a minor problem that needs minor attention. In many cases, just adjusting the slack out of the throttle cable and balancing the throttle bodies correctly eliminates 90% or more of the issues.

I've ridden the new GS and the wife's GSA waterboxer. Please share with us what you were "blown away" by. IMHO, it's a paint shaker and a poorly designed and built one at that. Cheapest components BMW can source. Too much glitz, not enough bread and butter.

If you have New Bike Fever, go for a long ride. Cover a few thousand miles and either the NBF will go away, or it won't and you can trade it in, etc. If a few thousand miles means months for you, then just trade the bike in. The quality won't matter, you'll just be getting another new bike down the road anyway.

Tomorrow will be a beautiful day in your area. Go for a ride, check out Tobay beach, run over to Allentown, PA and check out the America On Wheels Museum or have a bite at the Starlite Diner, then wander back home the slow way, up to Parryville and over across the top of Beltzville Lake on Pohopoco Dr towards Sciota. Then you can either bump North to I-80 and do a fast run home or drop South and stay on the smaller roads if you have the time. Leave early, dress warm, enjoy a full day on the bike poking around and seeing your local area in the fall colors.
 

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Here’s a link to a Brazilian site with info on the 2019 Super Tenere. Colour options are Blue and Matte Black.
https://motos2019.com.br/nova-super-tenere-1200-dx-2019/
Problem with this article is this part:

"The technical data of a sports motorcycle draws attention to contain every detail of the model, but as it has not been disclosed the new datasheet of Super Tenere 1200 DX 2019 check out some expected features:"

It is basically a regurgitation of the Gen 2 specs. So really nothing in the article about the 2019, except the "speculation" of, but not confirmed, of a third option, which actually may be the "real" 2019.
 
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With the release being so late it makes me wonder if they have a new one in the works but were unable to get it ready in time. Maybe next year.
 
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