ECU flash on newer model.

You see that's why I have actually started this thread.
I have had my 2020 model for 9 months now and I don't have any kind of issues others older bikes seems to have.
I don't do off road because honestly I don't think I can handle a bike so heavy.
I mainly drive on twisty mountain's road
( Dolomites most of), occasionally I commute to work.
The bike is fine, it goes quickly ( too quick maybe) up to illegal speed on the road.
I just wanted to know if someone with a recent model like mine needed the ECU flashed because it is actually needed but the more I read the more I think MAYBE on the " last" model they have already changed things for better.
I may have to point out that I have an European bike ( I am an Italian) and just MAYBE due to different law emissions here the fuelling is different over here.
Hope my writing makes sense ( well it does at least in my head lol)
I agree with you about the top end though.

It doesn't matter what year it is it will be the same. I would imagine most people if they rode a flashed bike then got on a stock one would get theirs done.

fac191 said:

It doesn't matter what year it is it will be the same. I would imagine most people if they rode a flashed bike then got on a stock one would get theirs done.

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You are right.
I would love to have a chance to ride a flashed one so I could compare.

fac191 said:

It doesn't matter what year it is it will be the same. I would imagine most people if they rode a flashed bike then got on a stock one would get theirs done.

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For the record, is your bike a Gen 1 or Gen 2?

Unless the 2020/21 models have been improved from the factory?

I understand somebody that has issues with, doesn't like, the OE throttle response, looking for a fix. Find a flashed bike, and compare. It might be exactly what you want/need. What I don't understand is that when I say I absolutely love & adore my OE throttle. . . . I'm told "no you don't". . . ."you need to try a flashed bike". . . . "if you ride a flashed bike, you'll get a flash". Why are y'all so insistent that I don't know what I like. There are new guys on here that, after listening to y'all, are planning to get their bike flashed. . . . that don't even have their bike yet. They are so convinced that the bike is jacked up, that they aren't even going to see for themselves.

'Cuz, it's got to be one of two things. I'm either such a poor rider, that I can't tell when a bike is jacked up. . . . or a good enough rider, that I learned how to ride the Tenere as is. Either way, I'm a happy rider. Ignorance is bliss.

Streethawk said:

I've had my 2016 ES for 7 months now. I've put it through a variety of paces except track and trail (trail is essentially N/A as it is a paved road tourer for me). These paces most recently included a ride from San Antonio, to the Ozarks in AR (hitting EVERY gold route in the NW corner), regular weekend twisty romps and also low speed/small space maneuvering courses (MSF). In my mind, what I'd like to change most about the power delivery is:

1) My frame of mind (My wrist pairs better with the high RPM performance of the KTM 1290 Super Adv. -- I've ridden that bike and all the other big bore ADVs)
2) The abruptness of throttle accel and decel in Sport mode (quite an annoyance on corner exit at a uh... spirited pace)
3) Having a juuuust bit more smack up top (but please see point #1)

I'm VERY interested in the combo of a Leo Vince or Yoshimura slippy and an ECU flash by 2 Wheel DynoWorks, BUT I'm curious about the implications of the ECU flash on the long-term integrity of the engine. At this point, that's pretty much the only thing holding me up. I trust in the R&D put into this amazing bike and would hate to compromise the heart of it in any way. Planning on doing more research to investigate that aspect of the mod. In the meantime, I'd say I'm fairing well in adapting my wrist to the undesirable fueling/power aspects.

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Talk to nels. The engine runs better and lasts longer with a great tune.

I am running the yosh btw.


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fac191 said:

I would imagine most people if they rode a flashed bike then got on a stock one would get theirs done.

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I'm not one of them. I have ridden a bunch of different bikes from 2 stroke dirt bikes to liter bikes to 160 HP super adventure bikes. I even had a Ninja 650R that was dyno tuned specifically for me.

The Super Tenere is the best running bike I have swung a leg over out of the box hands down. The fueling Yamaha engineers built into the ECU is amazing. Zero hesitation or bobble. Both ride modes are distinct and offer just what I want.

That being said, if someone can show me that a re-flash will shorten stopping distance, make the bike handle better, or give more grip to the tires, then sign me up!

Sierra1 said:

I understand somebody that has issues with, doesn't like, the OE throttle response, looking for a fix. Find a flashed bike, and compare. It might be exactly what you want/need. What I don't understand is that when I say I absolutely love & adore my OE throttle. . . . I'm told "no you don't". . . ."you need to try a flashed bike". . . . "if you ride a flashed bike, you'll get a flash". Why are y'all so insistent that I don't know what I like. There are new guys on here that, after listening to y'all, are planning to get their bike flashed. . . . that don't even have their bike yet. They are so convinced that the bike is jacked up, that they aren't even going to see for themselves.

'Cuz, it's got to be one of two things. I'm either such a poor rider, that I can't tell when a bike is jacked up. . . . or a good enough rider, that I learned how to ride the Tenere as is. Either way, I'm a happy rider. Ignorance is bliss.

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Great points! I think an initial bike bonding (or familiarization) period is critical for any rider before making major mods. I needed the seat time to feel things out in a variety of settings (planning on a track day with it soon). 7 months later, I feel I've gathered enough info to form an impression. I also firmly believe that individual riding style plays a part. I know a handful of riding buddies who'd be 100% fine with the stock throttle response. As you might imagine, we have completely different riding styles For me and based purely on my riding style, I'm only interested in the ECU flash for super spirited cornering. Not interested in hp gains or anything else. The bike's already got plenty o' power!

Streethawk said:

. . . . The bike's already got plenty o' power!

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I agree. . . . but, we are in the minority that feel that way.

Sierra1 said:

I agree. . . . but, we are in the minority that feel that way.

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How very true. Even in the dirt bike world most everyone thinks about power 1st. Hell, I'm guilty of putting a slip on exhaust on almost every bike I own.

I'd wager that most people don't use much of the Tenere's available HP. The Tenere also requires an adjustment as to "how" to ride it. As in when to up/down shift, and how much back brake that you can use without locking it up. If you are coming from an inline four cylinder, it's a pretty substantial adjustment. Like Streethawk, who is used to operating in the higher rpm range(s). As we know, that's not the Tenere's happiest place. With her low rpm torque, there's not much reason to wind her up to 7k. My kid's R6 doesn't make squat below 8K. . . . but, it has a 16k redline.

How do you lock up the back brake with ABS?


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Not sure, but I could feel it sliding. Had the squared off tire to prove it. I don't know if the road surface had anything to do with it. The RT would slide the rear tire, with ABS only occasionally kicking in.

Sierra1 said:

Not sure, but I could feel it sliding. Had the squared off tire to prove it. I don't know if the road surface had anything to do with it. The RT would slide the rear tire, with ABS only occasionally kicking in.

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Sounds like your ABS is faulty/broken.


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Just fyi i did not flash my bike for more power. I flashed it for smoother power delivery.


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gunslinger_006 said:

Just fyi i did not flash my bike for more power. I flashed it for smoother power delivery.


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Same here. I have no idea if I got any extra bhp from the reflash as I felt the bike had plenty to start with. I just wanted to smooth off the edges. If Yamaha said to the designer "ignore emissions, tune the bike just how you want" there is no way on earth they would have delivered the bike with the tune you get from the dealer. It is compromised by the need to pass emissions tests. Kick Greta from your ecu and enjoy the bike that Yamaha wanted to give you...

Really interesting thread this ... enjoyed reading through. I think the fact that there are two threads running about ECU Flashes (I have jumped in here from the 'Jumpy Throttle Fixed' thread) says says something in its self.
For what its worth, if we are talking poor throttle response then I reckon its an issue for older models and especially Gen 1's like mine and the right 'flash' appears to be able to sort that.
Its not an 'experience' or 'learn to ride it' thing with that issue for older bikes, I have had god knows how many bikes over 40 odd years of riding and I could do nothing about my S10 behaving like a kangaroo in slow traffic or when trying to feed power back on gently on when negotiating a switchback for example ... it was just garbage bike behaviour pure and simple. I had come straight off a 2017 Africa Twin and you could creep along at 2mph if you wished and perfect throttle, no having to constantly dip the clutch to stop the pogo antics.
The flash I have had done has sorted the bike and now its the bike it always should have been ... for me ... I had no interest in any power increase and if there is I can't properly tell but I think there maybe a little bit, the bikes not a ripper anyway but just has plenty enough for all situations I reckon ... but that's my Gen 1.

If I had a much newer model then I would be proper brassed off if my bike behaved like that as Yamaha have had plenty of time to get it sorted and I know of no other models that do it? I had a 2018 Versys 1000 and no issues, a couple of newer ZZR14's and perfect so I would be surprised if newer S10's had throttle issues?

If folks are looking for major power increases through a 'flash' then I can think of better ways to blow my hard earned as I can only imagine the newer S10'S are pokey enough for most riders?

I might fix up a test ride of a new or newish one to see if I can tell ... from what's been said above then most folks seem happy with their newer S10's so it might certainly be an older bike issue?

Don't know but just wanted to join in this discussion as its a 'good un'

I might fix up a test ride of a new or newish one to see if I can tell ... from what's been said above then most folks seem happy with their newer S10's so it might certainly be an older bike issue?

Don't know but just wanted to join in this discussion as its a 'good un'
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That is I actually think and why I have started this thread...
I do apologise to have started a thread that has been discussed over and over but being the way I am I simply wanted to know IF I needed....
To me and that's just my opinion, the 2020 model, has almost zero on-off issue on throttle.
I always ride in S mode and I can do all I want with it...
I guess I will have to wait and see if someone can test a bike like mine after the flash but for the time being I am more than happy with what I have...
Once again, especially to the older members here that must be annoyed reading about the same old thing over and over, my apologies to you all.
And don't worry I do have some other questions I would like to have an answer back....
Ciaooooo.

Longdog Cymru said:

For the record, is your bike a Gen 1 or Gen 2?

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Gen 2