Yamaha UK announce XT1200ZE Super Tenere

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ESA, cruise control, 3 stage traction control, standard driving lights. Looks like Yamaha listened and nailed everything the big dollar bikes brought to market this past year.

Big question...

...how much more will it cost with all the tasty bits added?
 

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sportsguy said:
ESA, cruise control, 3 stage traction control, standard driving lights. Looks like Yamaha listened and nailed everything the big dollar bikes brought to market this past year.

Big question...

...how much more will it cost with all the tasty bits added?

It already has three stage traction control... And the driving lights aren't standard. They're still accessories like the side cases, skid plate, etc.

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Dallara said:
It already has three stage traction control... And the driving lights aren't standard. They're still accessories like the side cases, skid plate, etc.

Dallara


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Well, then, this is looking more and more uninteresting then... :D

...and I never consider the "off" position as a "stage" of traction control, but you're right...

...so it's cruise control (negligible benefit for me, personally - nice but not a necessity (though if its an easy retro fit, who am I to NOT throw coin at my bike?! ;) )). ESA is compelling, but I often don't change settings. Still, I see the value on that one. For the FJR, which now also have an "ES" model with the ESA, the price difference is only $1,000 between models. Decent value, IMO, if the threshold extends wide enough to make the suspension usable for the Los Robustos among us... ;)
 

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Problem with ESA, at least from the BMW side, is that it is more expensive and complicated to upgrade with aftermarket suspension components.
 

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So all in all YAMAHA seems to be taking it up to BMW with the ES and keeping the Strom side covered with the "Base" model.
Be interesting to see prices.

I am sure the Brit mags will be along shortly to tell us all why it's no good.
 

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GrahamD said:
I am sure the Brit mags will be along shortly to tell us all why it's no good.
Unless it is going to put out around 180BHP (all stacked above 10,000rpm) be fitted with 17" slicks on Marchesini wheels, and weigh in at 150kg fully fuelled with fat road tester on-board then it will still be overweight and underpowered.

I would love cruise control, not bothered about electronic suspension, it will still be built to a price - and probably even lower spec suspension to offset the extra cost of the control electronics.

I am assuming power is the same as nothing is mentioned, the ability to swap over extra's appeals, but I would also want to keep my Wilburs suspension, I would also assume a flash is required just as badly as the current model, so upgrade cost + flash + fork re-work = a huge amount of cash to get cruise control :exclaim:

I am hoping they have re-worked the engine with regard to low gear restrictions and can get slightly better press reviews this time around - but I doubt it as all the "competitors" now have 125 - 150bhp and Journo's in the UK only judge a bike by the power / ss1/4 and lap times achieved with a few bonus points given for wheelie ability.


The biggest bonus for me is the longer they run it the longer spares will be available and more accessories likely to be produced, maybe Yamaha are realising their bikes sell better with age as word gets out about reliability and quality, the FJR has been around (and slated for being behind the opposition) for a decade or more.

The press know nothing, over here they slagged of the Wee-Strom but it sold like mad and is still going strong ten years later - many of the Journo's who slated it have long since expired ;)
 

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I'm glad they are making improvements to the bike, but.
the new display looks like it's been stolen from a 1980's Cadillac cimmaron (google it) it's awful.
The adjustable screen with knobs looks handy, but can be easily remedied by a madstadd (maybe it is a madstadd)
The electronic suspension is a gimmick. Most will set it and forget it, as others mentioned, the quality will not be there.
Better fuelling? Remains to be seen. Again, a properly set up bike (t.b's synced, and go switch installed) is plenty for this guy.

I bet you, if it comes to NA, in Canukistan it will be $18900 msrp, and the US of A, will be round $15900.
 

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A larger tank, with a 300+ mile range (like a certain other bike) might have swayed me, but I'm happy with the one I've got!
 

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F...ing hell... also this pics are made in my back yard... This had to be during MT-09 presentation held in Split, Croatia.
 

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greg the pole said:
I'm glad they are making improvements to the bike, but.
the new display looks like it's been stolen from a 1980's Cadillac cimmaron (google it) it's awful.
The adjustable screen with knobs looks handy, but can be easily remedied by a madstadd (maybe it is a madstadd)
The electronic suspension is a gimmick. Most will set it and forget it, as others mentioned, the quality will not be there.
Better fuelling? Remains to be seen. Again, a properly set up bike (t.b's synced, and go switch installed) is plenty for this guy.

I bet you, if it comes to NA, in Canukistan it will be $18900 msrp, and the US of A, will be round $15900.
Most cars made in the 80's sucked for design.

I like the CC but anymore electronic crap makes for a high dollar service charge when it fails.
 

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1,199cc liquid-cooled inline 2-cylinder engine
270 degree crank for strong torque
Shaft drive with clutch dampers and shaft dampers
Electronically adjustable suspension
Intelligent unified braking system and ABS
Traction control, cruise control and Yamaha D-mode

Tough spoked aluminium wheels with tubeless tyres
Tapered aluminium handlebars and adjustable screen
LCD instruments with gear position indicator
190mm travel, adjustable front and rear suspension
Adjustable seat height from 845mm-870mm
23 litre fuel tank and stitchless dual seat
 

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It's not enough to make me wish I had one instead of my ST but it's nice in and of itself.

now if it had more ground clearance, larger front wheel, better front fender, better windshield, and a better rear shock then i'd wish i had waited.
 

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I like the new cowl graphic ;D and notice there is a new plastic panel covering the right side aft frame. Besides cruise control, there is also a gear position indicator. Those 2 features are nice to have but not enough to trade up for. Haven't seen a picture of the instrument panel. Didn't find any details on the 84 suspension settings, like does that include compression and rebound dampening and pre-load? Like someone else suggested, the quality of suspension components outweighs the remote adjust-ability factor. I'm on my way towards building an 'R' model and can live without the added electronics. In 25,000 miles I haven't much wished for cruise control but I do wish the traction control setting would be remembered on startup.

All in all, these are good improvements to the model line and I'm glad to see that Yamaha is making these "competitive" changes.
 

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And ABS that can be switched off too, a detail hidden away in the features section, funny they don't list all the changes in one easy list.
 

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Boondocker said:
Didn't find any details on the 84 suspension settings, like does that include compression and rebound dampening and pre-load?
It must be like this explanation of the ESA on the 2014 FJR1300ES:

•An electronically adjustable suspension has been adopted that adjusts it to fit different riding conditions and bring greater convenience to touring. This system provides a choice of four settings for preload, including “One Up,” “One Up with Luggage,” “Two Up,” and “Two Up with Luggage,” adding a choice of “Soft,” “Standard” and “Hard” for damping force adjustment for each setting. In addition, this damping force can be fine tuned three positions firmer or softer from standard within each “Soft”, “Standard” and “Hard” setting.
•This electronically adjustable suspension function adjusts the damping force of the front suspension and the preload and damping force of the rear suspension in a comprehensive way that maintains proper balance between the two suspensions. The adjustments can be performed quickly with the handlebar mounted switch and then confirmed on the instrument panel display.
•In order to make this electronically adjustable suspension function possible, upside-down front forks with independent right and left damper mechanisms is adopted. In this independent right and left damper design, the compression stroke damping force is generated in the left fork and the rebound stroke damping force is generated in the right fork, just like the suspension proven on the YZF-R1®.


All that equals 84 settings the way I figure it.
 

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fredz43 said:
It must be like this explanation of the ESA on the 2014 FJR1300ES:

•An electronically adjustable suspension has been adopted that adjusts it to fit different riding conditions and bring greater convenience to touring. This system provides a choice of four settings for preload, including “One Up,” “One Up with Luggage,” “Two Up,” and “Two Up with Luggage,” adding a choice of “Soft,” “Standard” and “Hard” for damping force adjustment for each setting. In addition, this damping force can be fine tuned three positions firmer or softer from standard within each “Soft”, “Standard” and “Hard” setting.

All that equals 84 settings the way I figure it.


Goddam!! These things are getting Geeky!!

YEAH SCIENCE
 
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