I figured that's what you were talking about. I'm used to riding tall dirt bikes with 38" seat height. For commuting in the conditions you describe that would be tough. Not to mention those criminals on scooters that knock over motorcyclists in London and steal their bikes. Trying to keep upright at slow speeds with some punk trying to shove you off the bike would be a challenge with a tall seat.Dude i can flat foot the S10, the 660 was tip toes just !