whats the difference . gen 1 gen2 gen 3

jackass dave

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as i am new to the forum and allready have made up my mind i want one and as i am only a cash buyer i may have to buy 2nd hand or pre loved as we call it nowadays ,so can i ask a dumb (ish ) question and i dont require a great long answer if any just a brief descripition of the difference between a gen 1 (i think thats what you call it ) a gen 2 ,and are we up to a gen 3 yet ?

or should my question be is the newest version the best probably looking in the region of about £8,000 -£10500 pounds (uk sterling ) .
 

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Here is the list of most of the changes:

Cruise Control
Heated Grips
Electronic Suspension
Larger windscreen
Adjustable windscreen
New winglets under windscreen
Revised Instruments that are configurable
Revised handlebar controls
Revised handlebar position
Revised body panel
Revised throttle cable position
Revised sidestand with larger footprint
Revised mirrors
Better power
Improved fuel mileage
Much SMOOTHER engine with less vibration
Revised fueling
Revised touring and sport modes
LED lights
Revised Exhaust
Better Sound
Substantially improved speedometer accuracy (now reads 1mph high versus previous 10% high)
GPS mounting bar
 

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Depending on budget there are few options.

1. New / Nearly new (Gen2) you need to consider if you want Electronic Suspension, apart from that 2014 / 2015's are the same, and non ES 2014 models brand new can be found for around £10k which makes for a real bargain ::008::

2. Used (Gen1) 2010 - 2013 lack cruise control and there was no ES option, so if either of those are essential you need to get a 2014 / 2015, if not....

There is a good choice of bikes out there, with a few considerations:

a. Gen1 bikes had some restrictions in 1st - 3rd gear, easily sorted for as little as £200 for an ECU Flash, or from £425 you could have a dyno setup / flash which will get the fuelling spot on, this will give a fair power gain through the range, give smoother running and make the bike more powerful than the Gen2 is in stock trim.

b. The Gen2 is a shade smoother due to a new clutch basket, this can be retro-fitted but costs a few hundred quid - personally I found my Gen1 smooth enough and the dyno work I had done smoothed it out a lot.

c. If buying older you could do a lot more such as get the forks re-worked and fit a better shock, fit a full exhaust system (lots more power) or just have the dosh for a lot of tyres / fuel.


As the bikes are extremely reliable earlier models and high mileages are nothing to be scared off. Personally I would either go for a Gen2 if I wanted Cruise control, or buy a Circa 2012 for a load less dosh and modify the crap out of it if I could live without the cruise - in fact that is what I did, just there was no Gen2 option when I bought mine.
 

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bmac said:
Here is the list of most of the changes:

Cruise Control
Heated Grips
Electronic Suspension
Larger windscreen
Adjustable windscreen
New winglets under windscreen
Revised Instruments that are configurable
Revised handlebar controls
Revised handlebar position
Revised body panel
Revised throttle cable position
Revised sidestand with larger footprint
Revised mirrors
Better power
Improved fuel mileage
Much SMOOTHER engine with less vibration
Revised fueling
Revised touring and sport modes
LED lights
Revised Exhaust
Better Sound
Substantially improved speedometer accuracy (now reads 1mph high versus previous 10% high)
GPS mounting bar
I was very happy with my 2010 gen 1 until I read this. I think I'll go and visit my local dealer.
 

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thanks for that very comprehensive i dont really need ES and for me plain and simple is better to be honest i am not sure i would need to many gizmos so probably an earlier model would be ok for me
 

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Don't forget the larger valves and some other minor changes in the engine. I truly believe it made quite a difference from my 2012 to my 2014
 

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You noted that there've actually been three iterations and nobody's address sit yet.

Bikes marked "First Edition" were essentially a Gen1 bike sold outside of North America in 2010 and 2011. They were so close to the 2012-2013 "Gen1" that they are considered the same.


Gen 2 hit in 2014.
 

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squarebore said:
I was very happy with my 2010 gen 1 until I read this. I think I'll go and visit my local dealer.
I am not so sure many are that big a deal - or could not be sorted on earlier bikes, but it is a substantial list of small improvements and addressing all you can on an early bike would cost more than buying a later bike.

Assuming your the kinda guy that does not like to mess around much the later bikes make more sense - and will hold better value as you do not get much money back on many mods.

If you are on a tight budget, or do not care about most of the changes an earlier bike makes more sense.


In the UK you can pick up a 2011 with about 10,000 miles on the clock for under £7,000 (one on Autotrader right now for £6795 with 11k) 2014s start at about £9k and new ones can be had for just over £10k. I would add £200 to the Gen1 cost for a basic flash to remove the restrictions (some may also improve fuelling and power slightly)


Look at the list below, decide what you would want from a Gen2 and what it would cost to add to a Gen1:

Cruise Control - If you need / want this a Gen2 is the only sensible option
Heated Grips - Available as option on Gen1 and lots of third party options @ £70
Electronic Suspension - If you need / want this a Gen2 is the only sensible option
Larger windscreen - Many much better third party options out there for a few bucks < £100 (and probably find one much better than Gen2 stock screen)
Adjustable windscreen - As above
New winglets under windscreen - Option on earlier models (£70)
Revised Instruments that are configurable - Oh yes, a minor point, but they are much nicer
Revised handlebar controls - As above
Revised handlebar position - Everyone is different so this will probably be preferred by some and disliked by others - and other bars can be fitted to Gen1
Revised body panel - Of no real significance IMO
Revised throttle cable position - As above
Revised sidestand with larger footprint - Never had a problem with mine, and third party options / home remedied available (£20)
Revised mirrors - Mine work fine on the Gen1
Better power - A good flash will bring Gen1 up to the same level, a good custom remap will take it above Gen2 (£200 - £400)
Improved fuel mileage - Very slight
Much SMOOTHER engine with less vibration - Retro-fit clutch basket would bring Gen1 to similar level (£400)
Revised fueling - Usual sales blurb, still limited by noise / emissions regs, a custom map is needed to get fuelling optimal on any modern bike.
Revised touring and sport modes - A flash can improve Gen1 maps - and you could even choose your own this way.
LED lights - Nice touch
Revised Exhaust - Hidden away, and plenty of nicer third party ones out there (£200 - £600)
Better Sound - Personal opinion, and most would find an Arrow / Akro much nicer (As above)
Substantially improved speedometer accuracy (now reads 1mph high versus previous 10% high) - mine is only about 8%, but I just knock 10% off as a guideline.
GPS mounting bar - Third party options out there cheaply enough.


For anyone with an early bike it is cheaper to modify it, to swap my 2011 for a 2014 would cost about £4,000 which gets:

Wilburs shock + Fork Rework (£1,100) = Far better ride and handling than stock 2014
Full Exhaust system + Custom Flash (£950) = Far more power through rev range that 2014 model with improved fuel consumption and smoother running (than stock Gen1)
Givi Airflow Screen + Yamaha Winglets (£200) = More adjustment / wind protection than 2014 model
Oxford Adventure Heated Grips (£70) = Work much better than Yamaha ones fitted to my 2011 bike (got them on two other bikes)

So for roughly half the price of upgrading my 2011 I have got a bike that is significantly faster and better handling than a 2014 model, I may even throw the 2014 clutch basket in it at some point.

But if I was buying from scratch right now I would go for the 2014 bike at £9k
 

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Interesting information here. BTW, odometer accuracy has in no way been improved: my 2014 is still 8-10% off.

I have never tried a Gen 1 so can't comment on engine improvment, but if you plan to buy a 2012 or 2013 and want to do some of the upgrades that are already on the 2014/15, make your maths since it may be worh buying a used 2014 or finance a 2015. I got my 2014 ES new a month ago at a lower price than some used 2013, so shop around.
 

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once more guys thanks for a very comprehensive answer and as stated a lot to think about before a purchase ,i guess the answer for me is how much do i have and how much am i going to spend i have had about over 50 motorbikes and never made any money on any of them ,lost on nearly all of them so resale for me is not to important
 

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Go with whichever you find the best deal on. I have a 13 and I am totally satisfied with it in stock form. Aside from windscreen. I put a parabellum tall on it. It would be nice to have cruise tho.
 

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caillou said:
Interesting information here. BTW, odometer accuracy has in no way been improved: my 2014 is still 8-10% off.
I believe that you are talking about speedometer accuracy, not odometer, as the odometer readings were always close to accurate. Perhaps speedo accuracy hasn't been improved on the Canadian 2014+ bikes, but it certainly has been improved on the USA models. My 2012 was about 10% high, just as your bike. My 2014 reads 80 at a GPS indicated 79.
 

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fredz43 said:
I believe that you are talking about speedometer accuracy, not odometer, as the odometer readings were always close to accurate. Perhaps speedo accuracy hasn't been improved on the Canadian 2014+ bikes, but it certainly has been improved on the USA models. My 2012 was about 10% high, just as your bike. My 2014 reads 80 at a GPS indicated 79.
Correct: speedometer, sorry for confusion.

I was driving at 119 km/h this AM (GPS speed) and the speedometer was at 126 km/h so a little bit less than what I said (6%) but still not as accurate as your. It may be adjustable in the service menu, I will check when I will have one avail.
 

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Rasher said:
Better power - A good flash will bring Gen1 up to the same level, a good custom remap will take it above Gen2 (£200 - £400)
Improved fuel mileage - Very slight
Much SMOOTHER engine with less vibration - Retro-fit clutch basket would bring Gen1 to similar level (£400)
Revised fueling - Usual sales blurb, still limited by noise / emissions regs, a custom map is needed to get fuelling optimal on any modern bike.
Revised touring and sport modes - A flash can improve Gen1 maps - and you could even choose your own this way.
Better Sound - Personal opinion, and most would find an Arrow / Akro much nicer (As above)
Yamaha made internal engine changes to improve performance. My 2014 is noticeably quicker than my ECUnleashed flashed 2012 was. Apples to Apples; a (flashed) 2014 will be noticeably quicker than a (flashed) 2012. I believe it was Cycleworld that found an 8hp increase.

I averaged about 44mpg on my 2012 before it was flashed. The 2014 is averaging about 50mpg. Slight, maybe, but I think a 15% improvement is significant.

The clutch basket is only part of it. The internal engine changes may have had some impact and the RUBBER mounted handlebars made a world of difference.

The revised fueling is my take on the change and not some sales blurb. There is no off idle stumble or hesitation on the 14 that I (and many others) experienced on the previous model.

The revised touring and sport modes are dramatically improved and do not require a reflash. If you are planning on a reflash it does not matter. If you are not, it does.

Sound is definitely subjective, but, to my ear, it is less tractor like and more pleasing especially with an aftermarket exhaust. I currently have a Staintune on mine.


The sum of the total changes (both large and small) results in a significantly improved motorcycle.
 
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