Weight restrictions.......

[pqsqac]

Has anybody noticed the weight restrictions on the sticker under the riders seat? Is that for real 198lbs total with tire pressure at 33 front and 42 rear? Am I missing something that doesn't seem like very much weight with a rider, pax and some luggage please explain if you don't mind.
Thanks

 

[Kevhunts]

Has anybody noticed the weight restrictions on the sticker under the riders seat? Is that for real 198lbs total with tire pressure at 33 front and 42 rear? Am I missing something that doesn't seem like very much weight with a rider, pax and some luggage please explain if you don't mind.
Thanks

0 - 198lbs. load (33 Front / 36 Rear)
198 - 461lbs. load (33 Front / 42 Rear)

461lbs. total capacity (rider(s) & gear)

 

[markjenn]

Also keep in mind that the 461-lb load is predicated on a 575-lb basic weight before accessories. It's not difficult to get a fully-fueled bike up to 650 lbs or so if you deck the bike out with all the guards, luggage, etc., so your actual useful load for rider, passenger, and cargo may be as little as 375 lbs or so depending on equipment. Of course, people routinely overload their bikes - there are some models of Goldwings which have useful loads in the 430 lb range and we all know how there are often festooned with every farkle known to man, then loaded to the gills by big people riding two up.

- Mark

 

[pqsqac]

461lb makes more sense and I checked the manual and that's exactly what it states. It's just strange how they worded the sticker which says Up to 198lbs 33 front 36 rear then it says 198lbs max load 33 front 42 rear. This is sort of confusing but it's speaking of cold TP so that may be why. Thanks folks for the clarification.

 

[Bill310]

This of course is another reason to upgrade the suspension immediate.y if you plan to run 2 up and loaded for a trip.

Rider with gear 220
passenger with gear 150
Metal bags and racks 25
Tank bag 12
Luggage weight including tools, camping gear, etc 50 pounds
Extra Farkle weight bash guards, crash bars 20

Weight 478

Next time you are fueled and loaded for a trip, visit a truck highway scale, they will weigh you

I learned about this on a Golding leaving for 3 weeks( it had a fuel cell 5 gallons) 1324 pounds

It js my belief that most motorcycles on the road on a trip are overloaded

 

[markjenn]

461lb makes more sense and I checked the manual and that's exactly what it states. It's just strange how they worded the sticker which says Up to 198lbs 33 front 36 rear then it says 198lbs max load 33 front 42 rear. This is sort of confusing but it's speaking of cold TP so that may be why. Thanks folks for the clarification.

You're parsing "198 lbs - maximum load" as defining what max load is but the dash denotes a range of weights, not a definition. Since max load is 461, it is equivalent to "198 - 461". I agree, it is ambiguous, but it doesn't make much sense to define one tire pressure for up to 198 and another for exactly 198, does it?

- Mark

 

[pqsqac]

Agreed Mark that makes much more sense I was getting hung up on the 198lb not thinking of the dash to max weight as a range. Funny how one can read something one way and another can come behind and read it another. You just cleared it up in my mind I needed that. ;D

You're parsing "198 lbs - maximum load" as defining what max load is but the dash denotes a range of weights, not a definition. Since max load is 461, it is equivalent to "198 - 461". I agree, it is ambiguous, but it doesn't make much sense to define one tire pressure for up to 198 and another for exactly 198, does it?

- Mark

 

[bloke]

please explain if you don't mind.
Thanks

lawers ::008::

 

[Twisties]

I had assumed that since the vehicle weight is given wet you don't need to count the weight of the fuel in the load, unlike the BMWs which give a dry weight.

 

[markjenn]

I had assumed that since the vehicle weight is given wet you don't need to count the weight of the fuel in the load, unlike the BMWs which give a dry weight.

You're probably right. The two specs in the manual give a "curb weight" of 575 without accessories and a max load of "rider, passenger, cargo, and accessories" of 461 (slightly less for CA models). I would assume this means the GVWR is the sum of the two or 1036 lbs. Curb weight is usually defined as the vehicle in "ready to drive" state with some defined level of fuel and Yamaha does say on the web site that it means "fully fueled". So you shouldn't have to include fuel int he 461, I would think.

We do also have the data from the motorcycle USA test which seems to indicate that perhaps Yamaha is fudging the 575 a bit. I think they got something like 635 for the bike which includes some accessories, although I don't think they identify which ones.

I doubt it would be hard to get a accessorized bike to 650, especially if you're going with the most rugged options in your luggage and guards. For many of the bikes out there, I doubt you have more than 400 to play with for rider, passenger, and cargo and still be technically legal.

BMW, BTW, is now quoting fairly accurate "curb weights" also. Their spec for the basic unaccessorized R12GS (without ABS since it is not standard) is 504 curb, 465 for max load, and 970 GVWR. Load wise, its a wash, although they start out lighter and end lighter. Earlier analysis indicated the BMW had about a 35-40 lb weight advantage with the same equipment, but the data is trending to say that perhaps it is more like 60 or so.

- Mark