Video of New Single-Wheel ADV Trailer - S10 Pulling It

Superraid

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We had a great question recently that I realized we have never addressed: how to secure/lock up your ADV1 so it remains your ADV1.

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To answer that, I needed to explain our latest/greatest hitch clamp first (one pic of it above); the hitch clamp provides 3 of the 5 ways you can lock the ADV1.

Check out the blog post here.

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Would love to see one in the UK.
 

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Hello @Superraid,

We will get there! I wanted to go to the ABR Festival this June, but it's not going to happen. Do you have any other similar rallies/festivals later in the summer that you know of? I suspect we will be at the ABR in 2025, but that's a long way off.

This summer, in the US (sorry @Superraid), I'll taking the ADV1 to the BMW MOA Rally and the RA Rally, as well as the Touratech Rally. Not sure where we'll be beyond that. We need to get out to the Mid-Atlantic area somehow as well. In the past couple of years we've gone to Overland Expo West, Pacific Northwest, and Rocky Mountain West, but they are quite expensive and the "moto camp" just doesn't get enough traffic to justify the price of the booth + all the cost of getting there.

As we get started with production, we will be selling direct-to-consumer (D2C) and using UPS or DHL, we will be able to ship anywhere in the world. I know you want to see it in person, but just in case you're interested in buying one, we can get you one.
 

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We have had several people ask on a variety of social media platforms if the trapezoid hinge on the ADV1 impacts handling or braking. I've put together a little blog post explaining that it doesn't change the handling at all when compared to a fixed hinge, which we used on our very first prototype. You feel the weight of the trailer and what you're carrying on it, but the ADV1 acts like a perfect pillion—leaning with you and not impacting your line—even if you're emergency braking.

Click here to read our blog post on Braking & The Trapezoid Hinge.

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What’s really silly is that the USA hasn’t switched to the metric system like most of the rest of the world
In the blog post, there are two links to YouTube videos of comedians making fun of how ridiculous the imperial system is.

I have lived and traveled outside the US for about 14 years of my life. The only metric unit I could never "feel" and not have to convert was Celsius. For some reason—perhaps the smaller gradations—Fahrenheit has won over Celsius in my head. Yes, yes, I know that freezing at 32° and boiling at 212° is crazy, but saying 76° feels more precise that saying 24°C. While in Germany a couple of months ago, as if the Germans were admiting a degree in Celsius is pretty big, I saw temperatures listed on my weather app as half degrees, like 6.5°C. I had not seen that while living or traveling anywhere else. So I guess that solves my issue!

And it's not "most of the rest of the world." The only countries in the world still using the imperial system are the U.S., Liberia and Myanmar. And Liberia and Myanmar mostly use imperial...they are more of a mix than the US.
 
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What’s Happening At Pasq?



After nearly three years of research, development, testing, and lots of detail work, we have officially moved out of the alpha testing phase of the ADV1 and are solidly into beta testing! The design details are locked, and we are in the process of ordering components and starting assembly.

We have partnered with 10 beta testers and are starting to work with them to get their bikes ready with an electrical connection to the ADV1. Thanks to our partnership with Denali Electronics, we are able to get the beta testers CANsmart Accessory Managers and they are starting to install them.

We have ordered nearly all of the components for the Beta Test ADV1s, and they’re starting to come in. Here’s what the conference room of our partner company, Pilot Digital, looks like at the moment. The conference room has never looked better than with a bunch of Warp9 wheels and 80/20 tires stacked against the wall!



We have all the major frame components cut out. Here’s a quick look at one of the sides, hot off the press CNC router.


Here’s what “making chips” looks like as the frames are drilled, counter-sunk, chamfered, and cut out.


And here is what a bunch of finished frame sides look like!


Want to know more? Check out our most recent newsletter.
 

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I’ve been following this closely. I signed up for beta testing and heavily considered it when the time came but I knew I was going to be spending time and money most of this riding season up to July building my bike and I would be able to do the testing any justice.
For use it would mean a way we could haul our dog with use by moving luggage to the trailer in back. It’s neat idea, good work.
 

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I was asked in an email what the ADV1 looks like at the moment...here is a view of my office taken 2 minutes ago:

Eye Spy With Your Little Eye! Can you find...

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  • The final ADV1 alpha prototype. (Hint, it has a red box of torx sockets on top of it.)
  • The original PVC prototype I made 3 years ago, being held up by brackets on the wall.
  • A folded-up shelf unit that can carry coolers, dry bags...whatever your heart desires.
  • "Parallel bars" which will allow panniers like GiantLoops, Jesses, Mosko Moto Backcountries, etc. to attach easily.
  • Framed trademark for "Pasq®"
  • A fake "Pasq 1" license plate.
  • Two yellow trapezoid-hinge arms.
  • A microphone/doorstop combo used for voice overs on some of our videos.
  • A GiantLoop Tillamook on the ground filled with my camping kit.
  • A framed picture of a pasque flower (which Pasq is named after) and is the state flower South Dakota, where I grew up. It was bought in a coffee shop in Watertown, South Dakota for $5.
  • A picture of my wife (Laura) sitting next to our bicycles outside of Jerusalem, which was taken on our round-the-world bicycle trip in 1989 and 1990. Cannondale bicycles printed it as posters and sent it out to all their dealers. One of the dealers gave it to me and pushed me out the door after I yelled, "WHERE IN THE HELL DID YOU GET THAT!!??"
  • An old iMac that hasn't been recycled yet.
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Did you know that on bolts and washers, black zinc is stronger and lasts longer than silver zinc? Neither did we! That is, until we took 150 lbs of bolts and washers to a plater here in Chicago and they told us we were doing the right thing. We did it so we could get black hardware, but now we know that our design sense (vanity?) of wanting black bolts actually makes our ADV1 even better!

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Now the only problem is, we have to sort everything!

We're building trailers!

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The Long-Lost, Way-Way-Overdue Update!
Part 1



“What in the world has been going on at Pasq?”
“Why haven’t we heard from you?”
“Have you given up?”


These are a few of the emails and online comments we’ve seen lately. Okay, okay…we get it. You want news! Buckle up and put your reading glasses on…this is a long one!

Let’s go in somewhat chronological order!

Before June - Getting Everything Ready

We spent several months finalizing all the last tiny details in the design. Once we had the final design for what would be our Beta Test trailers, we started the long and fairly complicated process of ordering all the components we would need for 12 trailers: all the sheet metal parts, the CNC router parts, the machined parts, the hardware (bolts, washers, nuts, flathead screws, bearings…) tires/tubes/wheels. Once it all started coming in, much of it needed a trip to our local powder coater. We had to mount tires and balance the wheels. The check lists never seemed to get shorter; no matter how much work we put in, they just got longer and longer.



One other project we had after all the hardware came in was to take all the silver screws, socket-head cap screws, bolts, flatheads, etc. to a plating company here in Chicago. They stripped all the chrome off the screws and replated everything with black-zinc plating. We did this for appearance—we didn’t want a bunch of silver dots all over the black trailer, so we took the extra step to get black-zinc plating. Black-zinc plating has the additional benefit of being more resistant to corrosion than regular, silver zinc plating.

However, the downside to making everything black was we got two huge boxes of unsorted hardware back. It took a team of six people nearly one entire day to sort everything back into their original boxes. And if you think it’s fast and easy to sort hundreds of 20mm M6 socket head cap screws from hundreds of their 22mm siblings, I’ve got a great side gig for you!



Luke also spent an enormous amount of time making wiring harnesses for the ADV1, as well as for the bikes in our Beta Program.



One other large project was to design, and 3D print a wide variety of parts. 3D printing allows us to add features and higher-end finishes. For example, 3D printing facilitated custom gaskets (see below) to protect the wiring harnesses from the elements to the greatest extent possible.




June - Building & On the Road
We started June by spending days, nights and weekends working to get the first Beta trailer boxed up and out the door to our first tester. There were a ton of challenges to get it out as quickly as possible, including designing a box that could safely and securely hold the ADV1. We got it done and it was 1/2 lbs. under FedEx’s max weight!



We had found or made solutions to the issues we encountered while assembling the first ADV1 Beta, so the second one went much faster. It took us about two days, which was perfect timing, because we needed to pack it up, and haul it out to Oregon and Washington. Rod had three weekends in a row of rallies we displayed the ADV1: The BMW MOA National Rally, The BMW Riders of Oregon, and the largest ADV rally in the US: The Touratech Rally.



After the rallies were over, Rod met Marlin, one of the Beta Testers, to hand over the trailer Rod had been displaying. This got Marlin the trailer faster, and it saved Pasq the cost of the box and shipping to get it to him! Win-win!

Marlin and his wife headed out shortly afterwards on a tour pulling the ADV1.



July - Building Building Building

While Rod was out in the Pacific Northwest, Luke was busy working on a ton of different design projects, building more wiring harnesses, and helping sort out issues in assembly.

When Rod got back at the beginning of July, building all 10 remaining Beta trailers became the top priority and getting them shipped out. While Luke continued to work on CAD designs, refining and improving all that we found could be improved, Rod (with lots of help from Luke) started building sub-assemblies: suspension, trapezoid hinges, internal storage boxes. Luke’s main task, for days and days, was cutting, stripping, crimping, and shrink-wrapping wiring harnesses. Rod would interrupt him frequently with assembly questions, and slowly the main assemblies of the ADV1 came together.
 

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The Long-Lost, Way-Way-Overdue Update!
Part 2


August - BMW GS Redesigning News!





Assembly continued through the beginning of August, and then we began to focus on shipping trailers to Beta testers. We got three of the ADV1s out the door to bikes that were not 1200 or 1250 GSs.

GS Debates & Decision

Those of you who have been following our long, complicated journey of bringing the ADV1 to market know that we have had decisions to make on how best to attach to BMW 1200 and 1250 GSs, some Triumph Tigers, and a few bikes that don’t have hollow rear axles. But the GS is obviously the key. This summer we debated whether to continue with our through-the-final-drive solution (see below), which we’ve tested and were pleased with.



In the end, we decided we didn’t want to connect to the GS’s final drive. Any issues with the final drive (which happen with or without our adapter) would immediately be blamed on the trailer. So, we decided to go a different direction: a frame mount.

A Frame Mount for GSs



Moving to a frame mount provided some hefty challenges, but some opportunities as well. In his typical fashion, Luke engineered a superior solution and we’re very excited to get these into the hands of our Beta testers. The parts are on order to make the frame mount, and we should have these shipped to our Beta testers by the middle of September.

And those of you reading this carefully are in for some fairly large news: we are thinking that we may change to 100% frame mounts! There are many, many advantages, chief among them being that production of the ADV1 would be much simpler because everything but the frame mount hitch would be the same for every tailer. With the axle adapter solution, we have to make a lot of custom adjustments to the trailer so it will track perfectly behind each bike. Another advantage? It’d be much lighter! Stay tuned for developments in this area.

Getting Feedback from Beta Testers

Tony, (one of our Beta Testers) is currently on a ride that is taking him from Reno to Canada on highway 395, across to Seattle, and then back down the coast to the San Francisco Bay Area of California. He’s put on about 1500 miles so far and is insanely happy with the performance of the ADV1. Here are a few quotes from his feedback emails:
“Having the ability to effortlessly carry things that are really nice-to-have? This is already changing my focus on what I (we!) can do with 3 wheels.”

“The ADV1 is all but invisible—I just don’t feel it.”

“There is attention to detail everywhere. Rails recessed for wiring, rails machined for T-nuts, high watt capable USB-C standard, those bright-ass Denali lights, side running lights too, super-engineered-to-last-forever axle connectors, quality key lock (not cheap Givi/Ducati junk). I could go on and on… :)


“You know when you arrive at your destination warm, safe & dry without effort? Dispelling any concern you had about buying THOSE boots or THAT jacket at THAT price? I felt that way about the ADV1 tonight: I arrived and parked my bike. My gear invisibly, effortlessly, magically(?) was also delivered to my parked bike. This trailer is changing how I ride distance.”


What’s Next?

I realize that we’ve given many false launch dates. It seems like every time we thought, “Ahhhhh, we’re done. We can start producing these…” we’d find a problem we had to figure out. It happened over and over again. Those of you reading this who have tried to create something brand new, with no road map, will understand. Some of you who have waited and waited are annoyed with us—you’ve made that clear in a variety of ways and we definitely get it.

Our ride has not been a straight line from idea to product. We’ve had to take a lot of wash-boarded fire roads, a few fairly technical single-track trails, a water crossing now and then, and we’ve hit a few dead ends…in a down pour. But more than occasionally we’ve found ourselves on some twisties through beautiful mountains, and that made everything worthwhile.

But this journey to our first product is very nearly complete. The Beta Testers are getting us the feedback we need. We truly think we’ll be accepting limited orders in late Oct or early Nov with delivery in Jan or Feb. We plan to have full production by spring of 2025.

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