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Twisties

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Yeah, you know, towing plans.

So, as mentioned elsewhere on the board, my wife had a little get off in some sand on her F 650 GS Twin. The bike was not rideable. We had obtained the Allstate KOA RV plan that is supposed to cover you anywhere and get you to "the nearest repair facility."

The get off occurred on the way on to Chaco Canyon (now called Chaco Culture NHP) on the NPS strongly preferred and advised route. County Rd 7950 to be exact. The road could have generally been described as a well maintained graded and graveled all weather dirt surface. However, there had been high winds in the area and a dust storm. We were about 3 miles into the dirt section when we encountered wind blown sand and Sharon went down. By the way, the road is now, after 4 more days of dust storms, covered in deep sand.

This is not the place to discuss the how's, why's wherefore's and lessons learned. I just wanted to give you the setting and general circumstances. To clarify for those who may not be familiar with the area, we are talking about a remote desert location. Morning weather was moderate, but high winds were due again in the afternoon, and it was getting warm.

Remarkably, and likely due to the fact that by chance we ended up on a high ridge, she had a cell signal. I, with the same carrier, had none. Kudos to RIM and the Blackberry. Samsung, not so much. We called for a tow. After giving our call back number, we spent a long time on the phone. I really couldn't say how long, but over half an hour. They wanted our address. Uh yeah right. Finally got the guy to look up Chaco on the web and see the NPS preferred route and figure out where we were. I think he actually had it right. Then he wants to know where we want to go. I say Farmington, NM thinking there will be a cheap hotel there. He needs an exact address. Uhhhh, yeah, right! Finally, after discussion, I say ok, either the BMW dealer in Grand Junction or Albuquerque will be the nearest qualified repair facility. He needs an address. Uhhh, yeah, right. Sharon pulls out her BMW MOA book and finds the addresses. We give him the address for Grand Junction. He agrees to tow us there. He puts me on hold to arrange the tow. Click. 20 minutes and no call back.

We call again. Another long call. Basically start over. Go back over everything. Uhhh, Grand Junction is too far. We will not cover a tow of that distance. Well where will you tow us? Farmington would be fine with us. Click. No call back.

Yep, Allstate KOA left us stranded in the desert. Never asked if we had water or shelter or anything. Lots of show about getting a call back number, all for nothing.

We were fortunate that a Native American couple with a pu came along, and with another helpful motorist, we were able to load the bike in and get out of there. FWIW, I will be relocating my top case to allow re-installation of the pillion seat, as I could not have carried Sharon.

In any event, we are rating the Allstate KOA RV an epic fail.

As well, on a separate note, in planning for the Whitehorse/AK ride I had just reviewed the plan to make sure it covered Canada. I was not able to find any mention of geographic area of coverage in the documentation. Just says "anywhere." So I called. Interestingly, I was told that ALL of Canada was included, and 49 US States. All of them except Alaska. Go figure.

So, we need a new plan. One that works. Well, or do we? Your thoughts, comments, discussion?
 

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I've seen and heard of that kind of nonsense before. Not a pleasant experience in your hour of need. Isn't it good to know that their are some big hearted people out there to help you ... I mean the couple with the pu and the helpful motorist.

I learned that lesson about compromising the ability to carry a pillion when I took the rear pegs off of my FZ1 ... seemed like a good idea at the time ::) Not when I wanted to help a stranded biker.

Glad you got it sorted though. :)
 

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We have the AMA program since we are members. I have only used it near home so I don't know if they would have handled your situation any better. Their web page does not talk about service coverage areas but I seem to recall we confirmed we were OK in Canada. I was happy with the service the times I have used it.

http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/membership/amaroadsideassistance
 

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I'm an AMA Member, but haven't had to use the roadside assistance so I can't comment on that. Here's a LINK to the AMA benefits that shows coverage and that it extends to Canada.
 

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Bummer.


A number of these plans basically are the same thing. Kind of like the USA Prime Credit service:
Discover Credit Card - Peggy - Transfer 2011 Commercial


Here's how it works: http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0628/companies-televerde-hitachi-netapp-cisco-salvation-at-center.html


The contracted call center that you reach has internet access to a data base that has been provided by your plan, then the person answering follows a script. Basically, the call service goes online to make sure you are valid with the plan, inputs your info, then calls one of the plan's online linked service providers.


If you have some dead time while waiting with the person on the other end of the line and they've been pretty conversational, try asking if they are a direct employee of the tow plan, or if they 're a contract person. I routinely do this and have had some great conversations, as a number of them are actually students/wives/etc and working from home!


Verizon, for example, starts people in one of their big call centers and while most never escape, it's possible with experience for them to work independently on contract. Basically, they get paid by the call.




If it's not a company that has good control and feeds their people enough work, the way Verizon does it right, their next words may be
"Tank you for calling USA Prime Credit Towing"
[click - click]
"Dr. Kramer's baby delivery answering service. Dis is Peggy. How may I help you?"
 

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The Wife and I have CAA plus and have used it a few times in Canada and the USA with no problems.
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ama plan here. wife has AAA. needed a tow due to fuel pump failure on suburban while in the national forest miles from no where. tried AAA first. similar experience to above. hours of talking but no help. too far out etc.

tried the ama...transfered to the exact same towing outfit!

my take was that the farther out you are ALL services use the same towing outfits. and that everyone is ok around town but none can help while riding in the boondocks.
 

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The wife and I have AAA but when it comes to being in remote off-road areas it's worthless. Get a Spot for medical emergancies and deal with the bike later. I talked to a guy yesterday who broke his leg in death valley. He got choppered out and the bike was picked up and trailered by his friends.
 

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I would agree with the concensus here: Our riding groups have used contracted services with all the major players (AAA, insurance, etc.) there is no significant difference in the responsiveness of the different plans as they all bottleneck down to the same outfits providing the actual service. And that service and be VERY spotty in the boonies. If you're well off the beaten track, you should be prepared for the worst and be able to get out on your own and/or with the aid of passing motorists.

Another big issue is providing emergency services you precise location. In general, even 911 services are ill-prepared to handle GPS coordinates and the fact that lat/long is expressed in several confusing different systems doesn't help. It really is good to stay very aware of your position with respect to nearby towns and road names so that if the worst happens, you're prepared to tell help where you are in a system they can use. Saying you're 12.7 miles W of Hermitville CA on Broken Wheel Road is a lot better than a GPS coordinate.

- Mark
 
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