Valve shim fell somewhere in the cylinder head or crankcase... :(

sigeye

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Well, I was on the home stretch with adjusting my valves (measured clearances at 25k miles required adjustment) and I was on the 3rd to last in need of shim replacement. I had all my spark plug holes covered and the only areas that appeared to be drains covered . I picked up the bucket with a magnet very slowly and carefully as I had all the others and as soon as I got it free, the shim fell out and rolled forward toward the exhaust valves and disappeared ???. After some immediate panic, I found the two large drain holes that exist between the cylinder exhaust valves. I have NO IDEA how I somehow missed these but I in fact never saw them until I was looking for the lost shim from one of cylinder #2's intake valves. I am not 100% certain that it went down one of those passageways nor am I 100% certain that it rolled off the head and onto my garage floor. The shim fell out of the bucket and I lost eye sight of it as it rolled forward.

Since this happened 2-days ago, I've searched my garage floor in very high detail to no success and I've also removed the oil passageway cover, oil filter, oil pan and oil pump but still no luck in finding the shim (oil was drained prior to all work and nothing was in the pan). I traced the passageways down from the head all the way to the crankcase where they drain the oil into the sump/crankcase area. If it fell down one of those passageways up in the head, it would seem that it would immediately spit out into the crankcase and into the oil pan, but it was not in the oil pan and I can see around the crankshaft and case pretty well without the oil pan.

At this point, I'm exhausted...I've got the head cover off, clutch cover off, oil pan off, oil pump off, oil filter off, oil passageway off and I've not found the shim. I've dug in everywhere I can reach from every direction with a small flexible magnetic tool and I've blown compressed air down through the passageways from the cylinder head and it cleanly blew out the bottom with no obstructions (one exits to the clutch side of the crankcase and the other exits through the alternator side of the crankcase). I've even rotated the crankshaft to see if it was sitting on top of it and would fall off. BTW, I've also looked all through the cam chain area.

I'm beginning to wonder if the shim is anywhere in the motor at all now, and I don't know what else to do. I have never removed the cylinder head before but I'm wondering if it could be in there somewhere/somehow. I can't make since of it because the two big passageways in the head appear to lead straight down to the crankcase (and maybe only the crankcase), but I guess anything is possible.

Has anyone had a similar experience before with this motor? Does anyone know if it is possible for it be in the cylinder head somewhere if only those two large drain passageways were open and all buckets, holes, etc. everywhere else were covered up? As you all can imagine, I'm literally sick to my stomach with this and I've exhausted my technical abilities with looking for it.

Does anyone have any ideas/suggestions for me? Any help is MUCH APPRECIATED.

PS: For anyone doing your valve service, do not forget to plug those two holes up front. They're big enough to swallow a shim and I somehow missed those holes when I was looking around. Must have had oil over them. I feel like a moron now but everything was going smooth until this point.
 

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If you have access to an inspection scope I would give that a try. I use this one made by Ryobi. It has a light on the end to light up the inspection area and the end is 12mm wide. I don't know how large the hole the shim fell into is, but something like this can be a life saver.
 

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sigeye

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I just got it out!!

It was in the right side cylinder 2 exhaust valve spring area...wow. I magnatized a coat hanger rod and was poking around in there when I heard something move. About 20 minutes later it's out!!!

Thanks so much for everyone's prompt advice to help me.

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I've not looked to see, but is it possible the shim to fit inside the coils of the valve spring(s), and is sitting against the valve stem? If the followers were in place for all the other valves, this may limit the possible places it could go.


-Jeff
 

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sigeye said:
I just got it out!!

It was in the right side cylinder 2 exhaust valve spring area...wow. I magnatized a coat hanger rod and was poking around in there when I heard something move. About 20 minutes later it's out!!!

Thanks so much for everyone's prompt advice to help me.

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Damn it.... put it back and flush it with oil to see if my idea would work. ::025::
 

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Pterodactyl said:
Damn it.... put it back and flush it with oil to see if my idea would work. ::025::
10-4. Heading back to the shop to put a cheeto down the drain tube as well. Makes for some good practice for next time.

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Gee, I've never dropped a shim or screw into parts unknown.
::)

Seriously, when (not if) I do, the first thing I do is use a really strong magnet of a stick and just wipe it around. It's amazing how many times the lost item has blended in with the background and the magnet gets it.
 

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It was the worst experience I've ever had associated with wrenching. I've been riding since I was 6 years old (now I'm 32) and have been wrenching my own rides as long as I can remember. I've never had any of my bikes serviced at a shop because I've always done it myself, including all the valve service intervals (so this part wasn't a new venture - but was on this particular motor).

However, I obviously was too lazy in identifying holes and passageways in the top of the head this go around and boy did I pay the price. It was the worst 'uh-oh' I've ever made. I didn't sleep for 3/nights straight while I was looking for it, work suffered, I didn't eat and that all finally got better when I found it haha.

Lesson LEARNED - plug everything up, and I mean everything! This bike is like a family member to me and I felt like I just through a grenade in its belly. So glad that experience is behind me now ::001::
 
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