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Has anyone had any experience with using a K&N filter in the Super Tenere? I have one in every vehicle that I own, (Two Suv's and a pickup) and am getting good results from them. I had a pair in my previous motorcycle, 2007 Yamaha Royal Star Venture (carburated) and had good performance and mpg's. In my 2012 Chevy Silverado pickup, I didn't notice that much difference and have been told that some vehicles do not see an appreciable difference when using them. Do I spend the $$$$ and get one and is it really going to make much difference in performance or MPG's?
 

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K&Ns are only good on pavement. If you do dirt use either foam or paper. K&Ns let in too much dirt. ::001::
 

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Pick up a BMC filter. Great filtering, better performance over stock.
 

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No for any dirt roads. There is a good scientific report on K&N's on the net somewhere with diesel trucks out there with flows being measured and dusts of known particle sizes and amounts being used and the summary was that K&N's may flow more initially but let lots more dirt through and plug off a lot quicker than the stock paper filters once they get some dirt in them.
 

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terryth said:
No for any dirt roads. There is a good scientific report on K&N's on the net somewhere with diesel trucks out there with flows being measured and dusts of known particle sizes and amounts being used and the summary was that K&N's may flow more initially but let lots more dirt through and plug off a lot quicker than the stock paper filters once they get some dirt in them.
I agree with you. I also own a performance Diesel business. We develop and manufacture high performance diesel parts. I have seen this with the K&N's and also the lower end AFE's (and others) ... There are also multi stage diesel dry filters that work better than anything on the market, and can be cleaned. IMOP, some of the best filters in the Diesel business. I have installed K&N on a million things and I have seen what you are talking about.. That's one reason we stock the BMC from Italy. Its similar in construction but has better filtering, even in dirt. I have one on my bike and I have kept a very close eye on it intake runners of the Super Tenere.
Being that I have worked on and been on motorcycles for 30+ years I know what to look out for. In the Diesel business I have seen many customers trucks that have DIRT down the intake tube towards the turbo with a K&N. I have also seen compressor blades eaten up from debris hitting them... With the use of my BMC filter I have seen NO other particulate matter on the other side of the filter element. With all the dirt / dust I ride in, I keep an eye on the filter and it really amazes me that all makes and brands of filters don't get that dirty on this bike..... You are also correct. If you want the very best in filtering, use a stock filter. Its more restrictive on a modified bike but will give you the best filtration long term if you want a no maintenance filter.
This type of conversation is very similar too using street tires off road and saying they suck... or dirt tires on the road and saying they suck... Its all a give and take... IMOP, If you keep an eye on an after market air filter it can give you a bit better performance and you wont hurt the motor... If someone wants to pop in a filter and ride a million miles with out ever looking at the air filter, keep the stock one.. :)
 

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Thanks for the advice. I'll look for a BMC instead for my Super Ten... ::022::
 

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the BMC filter looks like it would work great, but I don't find any dealers in the US? Where can I go to get one...
 

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Yep. The one trick to using K&N filters is to frequently reoil them from the inside and don't clean until you can't see the pleats anymore. I've used them since the late sixties, but they will let really fine particles through, especially when new and clean. Once they have a nice coating of dirt on them, they tend to work pretty good, if you periodically reoil from the inside. Ia ran them on two stroke dirt bikes in a lot of places, including the fine red dust of Western Australia, but always oiled the snot out of them. Since the engines lasted longer than expected under the conditions ( 35-38K miles out of a crankshaft for a very heavily used DT3 good enough?) I decided it was good enough. I'm sure they let some dirt through, and if I lived in a very dry place with very fine dust, I'd probably avoid them. But I don't, so it is a moot point. Around here, I'd certainly use one, and even on the local fine-dust stone roads. The one thing I really do like about them is you can install one, re-oil periodically, and then throw it away when you overhaul the engine, without ever cleaning it. They flow a bunch of air, even when caked, mostly because of the pleated design with the large surface area. Foam ones require frequent cleaning, and once the dirt gets embedded enough, they should be tossed. Paper works quite well, you just need to change them from time to time.

But do whatever you feel you're comfortable with.
 

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Does anyone have unbiased performance reports comparing K&N and BMC? If not, talk is cheap.
 

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tomatocity said:
Does anyone have unbiased performance reports comparing K&N and BMC? If not, talk is cheap.
Performance on a mod bike is probably the same between the two.. If someone had a stock bike someone will probably not tell anything with the filter.. On my personal bike that was the very last thing I installed.. I could tell the difference between stock and the aftermarket.. I guess people have to know me to understand that if it did nothing, I have no issue at all to tell anyone it does nothing... If it did something, Ill tell people its better than stock. Just my honest $.02... For the doubters, its best you keep your stock filter... :D
 

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IMO unless you are going to change exhaust system, I see no point in using a less restrictive filta ::021::
 

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RED CAT said:
K&Ns are only good on pavement. If you do dirt use either foam or paper. K&Ns let in too much dirt. ::001::
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If you want to check for yourself to see how well a filter is filtering, put a smear of grease on your intake track after the filter, and see how much grit, dirt, etc that it captures. We did this all the time desert racing. K&N's let in alot.
 

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stevepsd said:
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If you want to check for yourself to see how well a filter is filtering, put a smear of grease on your intake track after the filter, and see how much grit, dirt, etc that it captures. We did this all the time desert racing. K&N's let in alot.
...yeowza...he speaks truth.

No K&N fo me.
 
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