At first I would have liked tubeless on the T7, but now I really don't mind that it run tubes, as it has its benefits as well.Can of course be changed.
For this kind of bike I would expect to have tubes. Especially since you might bend a rim while riding.
Yeah, I've whacked the hell out of my wheels on 650 / 685 ADV bikes in the past, leading to rims that would not have held any air without a tube.At first I would have liked tubeless on the T7, but now I really don't mind that it run tubes, as it has its benefits as well.
If a tubeless tire have broken the bead due to a puncture it can be a bitch to fix in the field, and as some punctures can't be fixed with a plug, it's a good idea to bring tire irons (and a tube) anyway if you embark on a long journey.
It takes longer to replace a tube than to plug a tubeless, but I don't get punctures often enough for it to be a deciding factor, and when it does happen, spending 20 minutes replacing a tube vs. 10 minutes plugging a tire isn't a big deal.
If tubeless is a must, there is options out there to convert the wheels.
All manufacturers cheap out to some degree on most models.You can have strong wired rims and tubeless tires. Just seems like the Yamaha decided to cheap out in that respect.
Very true Don. For hard core off road use, there is no reason to run tubeless. A bent or flat spotted rim will end a ride with a tubeless tire. I actually prefer tubed over tubeless.All manufacturers cheap out to some degree on most models.
It's a constant calculation between what people want and what they are willing to pay.
That said, I don't think cutting costs is the only reason Yamaha chose tubed tires for the T7 - it also sends a signal about what kind of use the bike is intended for.
I might add that for it's intended purpose shaft drive and tubeless is not a problem on the Super Tenere. The OEM gearing is pretty darn good. I was turned off by the shaft drive at first. But from what I can see it's pretty reliable until something goes wrong. Then it's big money and labor to repair.
WOW!! The tape measure don't lie!! Almost 160mm of overhang is a lot! I do see where KTM is going with this though. It offers protection and keeps the fuel weight down low. All the while giving the bike more capacity and better handling characteristics. And I believe it's meant to be that way so you don't have to add crash bars. Of course the aftermarket is filled with crash bars for this bike.I will not talk about manageability, but design an adventure motorcycle, where the radiator is wider than the same motorcycle, and have to make a whole structure to help cover it in a fall? .... if I were in that office design, I would have ruled out flat, for a 800cm3 motorcycle. Perhaps the compression and the search for power to be more than the others, leads them to need more cooling. Today I went to see this 790, and for a 700-800, I still share the design of the T7 / gs800. Maybe in the photos you don't notice so much, but it is extremely wide down for an 800. If at this width, you have to add some crash bars, it's almost like a boxer. Is incredible....
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That is why I did not discuss manageability. Obviously the low weight is better, but I saw it very wide below. Equally mine are just doubts. The same doubt that generated the cat of the AT 1100. If some users of the Gs 1250, after driving it for a while at medium-high speed, complain that they literally cook their right ankle, when I saw where the 1100 catalyst, I wondered what would happen with the right foot. Obviously, the hotter and closer the engine is to the cat, the better it does its job.WOW!! The tape measure don't lie!! Almost 160mm of overhang is a lot! I do see where KTM is going with this though. It offers protection and keeps the fuel weight down low. All the while giving the bike more capacity and better handling characteristics. And I believe it's meant to be that way so you don't have to add crash bars. Of course the aftermarket is filled with crash bars for this bike.
As far as tubeless, that is a topic that is split down the middle on opinions. For me, on the street tubeless is just ok. For safety, tubes are the only way to go. A blow out on a tubeless tire can be a real handful to get to the side of the road safely. With double rim locks and UHD tubed tire you can ride out a flat to safety without the fear of tire coming off the rim
Tubeless tires cannot run rim locks. If you have a blow out or sudden flat you are in the same exact situation as you had on your dads bike. Did your dads 350 have double rim locks holding the tire to the rim? I'm pretty sure those old 350 Hondas did not run rim locks and had very flimsy tires.I could not disagree with you more on tubes and tubeless.
I was riding my wife [Girlfriend then ] on my dads 350 Honda when the rear tire picked up a spike and blew out instantly, we slid that bike sideways at 55 mph down the highway. The tire came right off the rim.
I have been a firm believer after that, It should be illegal for a street bike to have tubes in the tires. To this day I see guys buying cruisers with spoked wheels with tubes and I think to myself just how stupid they are.
Tubeless tires on street bikes is probable the biggest safety improvement ever made to motorcycles.
As far as the 350 Honda incidence went, I knew Michelle was a keeper when after we got stopped and ask her " weren't you scared?" She said " I knew you could handle it".
Yes tubes will work just fine in an emergency. All it takes is one hard hit from a rock to bend or crack a rim enough so the bead won't seat.Is it illegal for you to carry a tube as a back up to your tubeless tire? You would think so the way folks talk about tubeless. I’m perplexed.... perhaps not ideal with rim shapes but should work in an emergency situation shouldn’t it, when a plug won’t work?