tents and cargo trailers for riders

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!!!!!! ****** attention class ****** !!!!!! ****** i have modified the subject of this thread somewhat . i hope that is acceptable . i would also like to include the subject of cargo trailers which are pulled behind a yamaha super tenere . i doubt if anyone anywhere has pulled a trailer behind a yamaha super tenere ( at least so far ) because the s10 is more " performance oriented " than other touring class bikes like harleys and hondas which apparently go camping with a cargo trailer all the time. the definition of a motorcycle cargo trailer is a two wheel or single wheel trailer pulled behind a bike . a cargo trailer can have large carrying capacity or a small capacity . come cargo trailers have fiberglass bodies which hold all the junk . others are simply wide open platforms on wheels that hold the rider's weather proof bags . i am only interested in cargo trailers as opposed to camper trailers which are the type that have pop up tents built into their bodies . although camper trailers are fascinating and fun and have been briefly mentioned in this thread my purpose is to get opinions on the motorcycle cargo trailer because it sounds like a viable alternative when hauling big assed tents and other stuff to a campsite . i have touched on this topic already in this thread but would appreciate some feedback from you people with experience ( or second hand knowledge ) pulling a cargo trailer . question : what is the most appropriate cargo trailer for the yamaha super tenere ? should it be a single wheel trailer or should it be a two wheel trailer ? which type trailer is the most desirable in terms of bike dynamics and maneuverability ? does it just get down to how much equipment you want to carry or is there a point at which the s10 is pulling too much weight for its own good . is any trailer at all a bad thing -- a rider's heresy ? thanks for your opinions .
what type of tent and / or cargo trailer do you take camping on your motorcycle ? as regards tents -- the possibilities are endless and most people want the smallest and lightest tent they can buy because of limited space on their bike . a relatively compact backpacking tent is usually the most practical and efficient type for motorcycle camping . this is especially true if the objective is to ride through extremely rough terrain on a yamaha super tenere because an adventure bike should never be over loaded when traveling the deep forest fire roads and forging swiftly running creeks . i have not as yet received my 2012 black ( raven ) yamaha xt1200z super tenere and probably won't see it until october but i am planning ahead . anyway i couldn't ride a super tenere through a rugged mountain pass if the yamaha was bare naked . i am an amateur rider and would crash and break my leg if i tried a macho adventure bike trail . so i tend to visit the wimpy family camp sites . i still have a great time and try to bring along the biggest baddest tent i can strap to the back of the bike because the over load issue is not as crucial on my trips . i like tents that i can stand up in . i am 6' 1" tall and have to stoop over or crawl into most tents . my motto is : the bigger the tent the bigger the party . i have a preference for large size tents whether roaming the byways alone or with family and friends . i don't mind piling tons of gear on the back of my bike because i am not a true backwoods mountain sportsman . i would rather have a big tent than a remote location . i am not a very ambitious adventure motorcyclist . i could enjoy camping beside any pleasant lake or beach or river or mountain vista that is accessible by bike or car or family van and is not too crowded . but the experience is better if i bring a tent that i can set up quickly and walk into without stooping over too much . there are some big tents that could possibly be loaded on a motorcycle -- even riding two up -- if the rider doesn't mind a little excess weight and cramped riding conditions . two excellent large tents are made by mountain hardwear and four are made by catoma outdoor . the mountain hardware tents are conventional designs with six foot heights and great construction . the four catoma outdoor tents use the patented speedome technology which means the tent poles are permanently integrated within the tent fabric walls and the entire structure assembles in five minutes like a large umbrella . all of these tents are expensive and heavy . the smallest has a capacity for two people and the largest has a capacity for six people . i will be loading my future yamaha super tenere with the catoma outdoor speedome tent which sleeps six ( aka : combat vehicle crew tent or cvct ) . there will only be two of us occupying this monster and we probably won't be sleeping that much . in my humble opinion the large space adds to the fun . the downside is it weighs 33 pounds and packs inside a bag which is 35 inches long by 13 inches wide . i will strap the tent across the extended metal mule luggage rack behind the passenger seat on the yamaha super ten's tail . then i will ride very very carefully .

i have had little or no hands on usage vis a vis the following large tents but it has never stopped me before from buying anything online that is bike related -- even the black 2012 yamaha xt1200z super tenere itself . ( blind faith ) . two of the catoma outdoor tents which are the smallest ones listed here are intended specifically for motorcycle campers . please let me know if you are familiar with any of these over sized tents and what your opinions are on carrying long heavy bags strapped to a motorcycle . hmmm ... now where am i gonna tie down those two cots and the cooler ?

http://www.catomaoutdoor.com/Catalog/ProductInfo.aspx?id=172

http://www.catomaoutdoor.com/Catalog/ProductInfo.aspx?id=173

http://www.catomaoutdoor.com/Catalog/ProductInfo.aspx?id=156

http://www.catomaoutdoor.com/Catalog/ProductInfo.aspx?id=169

http://www.mountainhardwear.com/Corners%E2%84%A2-4/OU9489,default,pd.html

http://www.mountainhardwear.com/Corners%E2%84%A2-6/OU9490,default,pd.html

ps ... i have actually seen the catoma outdoor switchback motorcycle tent . it is quite accommodating and a clever design . a friend of mine owns the mountain hardwear corners 4 model . he loves it . everything mountain hardwear makes is elegant and durable . what type of portable shelter do you like to pack for an overnight adventure on your super tenere ? there are so many tent styles and sizes and prices to choose from . we should try to compile a list of tents that may be fun to pack on the super tenere . i am interested in different tent designs as much as different motorcycle designs . please describe a tent you have slept in or relate a tent story ( good or bad ) . if you see an innovative tent that a friend owns or one advertised online please let me know . tent prices vary widely online for the exact same brand and model . a couple of the tents i have listed here are sold cheaper on other sites . there countless interesting pieces of camping equipment ( i.e. : a 12 volt electric bug zapper ) but this thread probably should be limited to tents for riders because the infinite amount of outdoor stuff for sale these days is too much to contemplate .

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Doggrell, all your links are busted.
 

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:'( :'( :'(

oh my goooddd !! broken links !!!
how utterly embarrassing !! except now my fascinating tent list collection is working again !! ( i think )

i need to spend more time in my tent . anyhow - love those bikes and campers . can't wait to pitch my catoma combat vehicle crew tent off the back of a super ten .

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right palmer !

i have been reading about the nomad . they are made by some brit military dude . it looks very sturdy and easy to live with . like the catoma outdoor switchback it goes up fast and is recommended for riders . however i sincerely doubt if my girlfriend would let my yamaha sleep inside the tent with us . she might get jealous . are you going to try a nomad some day ?

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doggrell3000 said:
also - before i forget - the true big big daddy of big ass tents :

( i hope my link works this time ) the space station by mountain wearhouse !

http://www.mountainhardwear.com/Space-Station%E2%84%A2/OU9480,default,pd.html

i have been cruising around all day with this baby strapped to my moped scooter looking for a vacant lot to pitch in .

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So THAT'S what a $5000 tent looks like (crosses off list).
 

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doggrell3000 said:
also - before i forget - the true big big daddy of big ass tents :

( i hope my link works this time ) the space station by mountain wearhouse !

http://www.mountainhardwear.com/Space-Station%E2%84%A2/OU9480,default,pd.html

i have been cruising around all day with this baby strapped to my moped scooter looking for a vacant lot to pitch in .

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Ha! And it only weighs 70lbs packed! It is like a portable apartment. :))
 

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yes toompine
i have heard good things about the hubbas . i would like to try the mutha hubba just because of the name . the mutha hubba would be an excellent solo tent for me . the whole experience series by msr is cool . msr makes a large walk-around-inside tent called the backcountry barn which i am interested in . i meant to include it with my big tent list . :

http://cascadedesigns.com/msr/tents/experience-series/backcountry-barn/product

the backcountry barn is a great design because it is one of the few tents that has a 6 foot 2 inch height from front to back . this big tent only weighs 15 pounds and packs down to 28 inches by 12 inches . it sleeps four or five people but is pricey at 700 bucks . the backcountry barn could definitely ride on a bike no problem .
 

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ptfjjj said:
Ha! And it only weighs 70lbs packed! It is like a portable apartment. :))
Yes, but there is room for 14 of your friends in it!!! :D
 

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I still like roughing it at a Motel 6 where Tom Bodett forgets to leave the lights on. This summer should be like last year, negotiate the room price. Went to one last year, $139.00 a night down to $89.00 with an excellant continental breakfast.
 

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You might need a trailer to carry some of these tents. May as well buy:



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Mountain Hardwear stuff..reliable and affordable.

Had two of their tents for 10 years, not a wear item to mention to ya.

Wonderfully made and tough as it gets...very very packable too.
 

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doggrell3000 said:
.... what type of tent do you take camping on your motorcycle ? .... hmmm ... now where am i gonna tie down those two cots and the cooler ? .... this thread probably should be limited to tents for riders because the infinite amount of outdoor stuff for sale these days is too much to contemplate .....
I used one of these: http://tinyurl.com/4d2782o for a couple of years and it was real nice, big assed, but cheap tent. No issues, it's been sitting in my basement for a few years (I switched to one of those biggassed camper trailers). When I was the Coleman Sundome, it was part of the camping swag I hauled around behind my FJR in a homebuilt trailer. I went down and measured the tent inside its bag and it didn't take up much room. I think it was about 28" long. Would fit very well on the Tenere. I used the Big Grizzly cot from Cabilas for comfort and again, no problem putting on the back of the bike. Sooner or later someone will come up with a trailer hitch for the S10 and when they do, I would consider building a trailer to tow behind it.

You can get quite a bit of useful motorcycle camping info from http://motocampers.com/ and I have the Coleman tent on my www.picturetrail.com/bvail photo site. I used a Eureka! 3XT tent on a trip to Alaska, but since I am a seasoned citizen and don't care to be crawling around on my belly, I sold it when I got back from my trip. Eureka! does make some nice tents that are easy 5 minutes up and down and many have aluminum poles vs. the heavy fiberglas ones.

p.s. Attached piccie of the 10 X 10 Coleman Sundome taken somewhere in Montana. A couple of spaces over there was a half dozen Vincents ??? Also, a piccie of my 03 FJR with one of my homebuilts on the back. Taken on Lolo Pass. Also in attendance was Scooter G of FJR Forum fame. BTW I kept up pretty handily with the two other FJRs, even with the trailer on.
 

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lovely pics bvail
you have touched on an important topic . trailers . on the one hand it makes perfect sense to hook up a trailer to the back of a yamaha super ten particularly for camping . on the other hand some riders think it is heresy to hitch a trailer behind a bike and it ruins the basic motorcycling experience . then there is the issue of which type trailer to buy or build . should we use a standard two wheel trailer or should we pull the new supposedly maneuverable single wheel trailer . i have never pulled a bike trailer . the last time i pulled an automobile trailer behind my mercedes i ruined the transmission . a bike trailer would definitely solve the over loaded motorcycle problem . but i wonder if it detracts too much from the feeling of the bike while riding ? your homemade two wheel trailer looks cool and you had no problems keeping up with the rest of the riders . i am guessing that the smallest and lightest trailer might be the most desirable . i wonder if the single wheel trailers -- which are generally lightweight -- feel better behind a bike than a standard two wheel trailer . single wheel trailers allow the rider to lean into corners . here are links to two single wheel bike trailers and a good flexible two wheeler :

http://www.roadmancampers.com/allseasontrailer.htm

http://www.monogo.com/

http://www.thirdwheeltrailers.com/index.php/trailers

the roadman two wheeler looks good because you can put anything in it . it comes with a big waterproof bag and can be ordered in a black color . the monogo single wheel is cheap and light . it only weighs 55 pounds . the third wheel trailer might hold a tad more junk than the monogo .
i admire your large six person coleman sundome tent . it only weighs 17 pounds and packs down to 27" by 8" . definitely can be strapped to the super tenere . the coleman sundome is only 94 bucks on amazon . darn good value .

hannabone --- montain hardwear products are like aerostitch -- expensive but the best you can buy . i want to own their corners 6 tent or their corners 4 tent . i have had a pair of mountain hardwear weather proof riding pants for six years and they still look brand new .

switchback --- a trailer with a pop up tent is a cool concept . the clever design of this these tents fascinate me . i think one advantage of the pop up would be that it is elevated from the ground .

fjr1300 --- if living conditions at the ol' campsite get too hot , too cold or too wet i am the first to head for a motel six !

colorider --- it would be cool living in the space station geodesic dome tent for about six months if it could have a utilities hookup and a decked floor . apparently mountain hardwear makes two sizes of this monster . buckminster fuller would be proud .
 

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Another MSR Hubba Hubba fan here. I've owned six or eight tents for motorcycling and this is by far my favorite. It's exceptionally easy to setup and free-standing, so you can move it around after setup. My only reservation is that it is not a great tent for cold/wind as the sides are all mesh and thus retain very little heat - great for hot weather though and if it is dry, you can just leave the rain fly off and sleep "under the stars" in essentially a big mosquito net room.

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on the topic of motorcycle cargo trailers ( please reread my opening post at the start of this thread ) :
does anyone know if pulling a reasonably small cargo trailer behind a yamaha super tenere is a positive or a negative experience vis a vis going camping ? if you think it might be a positive idea and would help the camper overall then which type of cargo trailer would be the best choice for hitching to the super tenere ? should i use a single wheel cargo trailer ? or should i use a two wheel trailer ? are single wheel trailers always the best way to travel ? if i was pulling a trailer behind a goldwing then maybe a two wheel trailer would be best . if i am pulling a trailer behind a super tenere perhaps a single wheel trailer is the most appropriate . does the choice of a cargo trailer depend on the type of motorcycle one is riding or does the choice of a trailer depend on how one rides the bike ? please offer some speculation on these questions . thanks - appreciated .
 

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doggrell3000 said:
on the topic of motorcycle cargo trailers ( please reread my opening post at the start of this thread ) :
does anyone know if pulling a reasonably small cargo trailer behind a yamaha super tenere is a positive or a negative experience vis a vis going camping ? if you think it might be a positive idea and would help the camper overall then which type of cargo trailer would be the best choice for hitching to the super tenere ? should i use a single wheel cargo trailer ? or should i use a two wheel trailer ? are single wheel trailers always the best way to travel ? if i was pulling a trailer behind a goldwing then maybe a two wheel trailer would be best . if i am pulling a trailer behind a super tenere perhaps a single wheel trailer is the most appropriate . does the choice of a cargo trailer depend on the type of motorcycle one is riding or does the choice of a trailer depend on how one rides the bike ? please offer some speculation on these questions . thanks - appreciated .
My opinion on single wheel trailers - why bother? My recomendation for the S10 (providing a hitch becomes available) is the Harbor Freight kit trailer with a Sears/Thule cartop shell mounted on it. You will hardly know it's back there. But that's just my humble opinion and I have been dragging trailers for 12 years. I have had 3 homebuilt (HF) trailers and 3 heavy camper trailers. I towed both a homebuilt behind my FJR1300 and a camper.

Here is a motorcycle trailer towing forum that I host, which has answers and opinions on just about any question that you might have: http://forums.delphiforums.com/MCTrailertowing/start I see no reason why the S10 would not handle a trailer with aplomb and it's great to be able to bring just about anything along you wish.
 
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