S10 Cruise Control

Dallara

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EricV said:
Yes, it is possible to over ride any CC and increase your speed. Some systems will cancel the CC function if you increase over the set speed by a pre-determined margin, others simply return to the set speed when you release the throttle.

I have ridden with CC on different bikes, with the CC set, I have a more relaxed grip on the throttle, usually in the 'dead' or 'slack' spot that develops where the CC unit is maintaining speed. When you hit a hill, the throttle opens more, and the slack spot moves, but it's not difficult to allow the throttle to do it's own thing w/o over riding it or interfering with it.

That's what I thought, and recalled from my experience... though I ever recall any of the cruise controls canceling if you reach any certain speed increase.

One of the reasons I like friction throttle locks is that you have to physically override some definite tension to increase speed. True, it's minimal if you have the throttle lock set correctly, but there is still some minor effort required, so it seems my speed stays pretty constant. Needless to say, it decreases slightly climbing hills and increases a bit going down them, but with the flywheel effect and torque of the S-10 I find that minimal unless it's really hilly. I also find that having to pay a bit of attention to that *setting* with a throttle lock is actually a *good* thing, in that I am *watching* the speed a bit closer than I would with a car-type cruise control.

None of that is to say that I wouldn't wildly welcome Yamaha producing a "plug-and-play" factory cruise set-up, or offering it on the bike from the start... I would!!! ::012::

But until they come with some sort of more integrated, factory solution I think I'll stay away from the Audiovox/Rostra-based *universals* and ride with the... Whoops! I mean with one of the throttle locks! ;)

Dallara



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Just to throw my two pennies in here.... I've used throttle locks from the Vista types to the factory set screw types to o-rings, washers and shims wedged between the grip and the bar end or switch housing. I liked that set up a lot. I'm still used to throttle on-throttle off with my hand and I do not let the grip self return. When I bought my '08 Royal Star, I saw those cruise control buttons over there on the throttle side switch assembly and thought, "That's just nuts.", and I was figuring out how to get a throttle lock on it while it was still on the show room floor.

Well, of course, I tried it out and it worked very well. It acted just like the modern factory automotive units I've used except softer on resuming. It was quite gentle actually but did reach a healthy throttle opening pretty quickly. It would allow me to accelerate to any throttle opening without kicking the unit off and self-resume when the set speed was re-reached. On the other hand, it would kick off at virtually any sign of throttle closure as well as clutch or brake use. I was impressed and never did put a throttle lock on it.

I had the misfortune to see the "guts" of the after two "boo boos" in two weeks. The control unit and actuator motor were tucked into each side of the plastic "mouth" that surrounds the radiator. If memory serves me, they were branded as Mitsubishi units. If they were spec'd by Yamaha or off the shelf stuff engineered in, I have no idea but, the system worked fabulously.

As far as hand movement and "speed creeping" while it was engaged, Yamaha did a really smart thing in my opinion. They put the biggest torpedo shaped bar end weights that I've ever seen on it. These things were like 4" long! When I engaged the cruise, I'd just slide my hand over to the bar end and let the throttle tube do it's thing. No sweat!

When i got the Royal, I had already damned the cruise control before I ever tried it. After using it, it remains the only thing that I miss from that bike that I wish I had on my Guzzi and my S10.

Oh, and for those interested...

Boo boo number one, it got backed into, sitting in a friends circular driveway by a carpenter in a Chevy C-30 with a utility bed on it. He hit it right in the tail light. The damage was (The big chunks.) windshield, right front signal, headlight shroud, radiator surround (where the cruise stuff is.), both right crash (Yeah,,, Right!) bars, right pannier and lid, rear fender and lights and the left pannier and lid along with a lot of little stuff. His insurance paid for everything. The bike was fully functional except the rear brake where the inadequate crash bar folded the floor board up. I rode it home, took pictures, and beat the offending crash bar forward before I rode it anywhere else.

Boo boo number two, I went on a charity ride with it before I got the settlement from boo boo number one and, well, there was a slight down hill grade to the church parking lot we were in. I staged where they told me to and shut her down. Just before I got off, I thought to myself, "Self, you may want to leave it in gear." So i thunked the shifter down into first. It felt like it took. It didn't... After goofing around with some guys for about fifteen minutes, I went and registered then attacked the barbeque! When i came back out and got to the bike, things were different..... One of the organizers came up and told me that it rolled off the side stand and of course, it got the left side this time... Nobody's fault but mine. Very embarrassing. Oh well..... :-[

Most Tonti framed Guzzis, like mine, have a locking side stand like the older H-Ds have. I don't care anymore, I'm using the side stand switch to shut e v e r y t h i n g that I ride off now and leaving them in 1st gear!! Lesson learned...
 

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Oh, there's just one more thing,,, (My Columbo impression.)

I'm ready to get a throttle lock for my S10 and the Kaoko and Wunderlich units are the front runners. That is, unless a certain forum member ;) can give me some information on a different throttle lock that looks to be available soon....

Dallara, there are beans that need to be spilled!...

So, subtlety is not my strong suit.... ::) ::013::
 

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The Rotund One said:
Oh, there's just one more thing,,, (My Columbo impression.)

I'm ready to get a throttle lock for my S10 and the Kaoko and Wunderlich units are the front runners. That is, unless a certain forum member ;) can give me some information on a different throttle lock that looks to be available soon....

Dallara, there are beans that need to be spilled!...

So, subtlety is not my strong suit.... ::) ::013::

I wish I could, but the wonderful gentleman who is actually making the new throttle lock says it's still not quite ready for production for the Super Ténéré. He currently makes them for some BMW models, but there are some differences the big Yamaha requires for proper operation. That's where I have been helping out a tiny, tiny bit. He graciously allowed me one of the prototypes, and I have been evaluating some of these different parts for a lot of miles. He wants to make absolutely sure installation is easy, foolproof, and that the units function flawlessly when available for open ordering.

They are beautifully made... True "works-of-art" you're happy just to sit and stare out for their fastidious attention to detail and function. Once available you'll be proud to own one, and it never fails to generate a conversation when other riders see it. Best of all, it works better than any I've ever used. Truly fabulous. I did nearly 300 miles with it yesterday, and repeatedly marveled at how much better it was than the Kaoko I had on there prior to this one.

I think it's ready, but the man making them says there are still one or two details to iron out. I hope they're ready for sale by the end of the month, but don't hold me to that. He is a perfectionist, and I don't think he'll sell 'em 'til he thinks they're truly *right*.

More to follow...

Dallara



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The Rotund One said:
Oh, there's just one more thing,,, (My Columbo impression.)

I'm ready to get a throttle lock for my S10 and the Kaoko and Wunderlich units are the front runners. That is, unless a certain forum member ;) can give me some information on a different throttle lock that looks to be available soon....

Dallara, there are beans that need to be spilled!...

So, subtlety is not my strong suit.... ::) ::013::
Sorry Allan, but the WWW is searchable, and I'd already seen Tom's stuff before.
http://www.excelthrottlecontrol.com/index_files/Page331.htm

::009:: I've seen many nice throttle locks, but personally, I'm not going to spend over $50 for a feature I can get for $20 or so, no matter how nice it is. Fancy machined stainless steel, (throttlemiester), powder coated aluminum, (Kaoko/Wonderlich), or machined aluminum (Brake-a-way), etc. Jeeze, it's still just a throttle lock. And at $150, it's a really well made throttle lock, but still does the exact same things my ~$20 VistaCruise does.
 

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EricV said:
Sorry Allan, but the WWW is searchable, and I'd already seen Tom's stuff before.
http://www.excelthrottlecontrol.com/index_files/Page331.htm

::009:: I've seen many nice throttle locks, but personally, I'm not going to spend over $50 for a feature I can get for $20 or so, no matter how nice it is. Fancy machined stainless steel, (throttlemiester), powder coated aluminum, (Kaoko/Wonderlich), or machined aluminum (Brake-a-way), etc. Jeeze, it's still just a throttle lock. And at $150, it's a really well made throttle lock, but still does the exact same things my ~$20 VistaCruise does.

I know the web is searchable...

But I also know Tom's *NOT* ready to release them for the Super Ténéré just yet, and I didn't want him barraged by e-mail inquiries. Guess I just should'a kept my mouth shut, as now he will be. I wish you hadn't done that, EricV... :-[

As to the value... Well, I sold Vista-Cruises for years out of my shop, and if I had a dime for each one that exploded, shattered, came apart, had rivets fall out of of, had springs corrode and break, had flip-levers break off of, etc., etc. etc. I'd be a wealthy man! ;)

After having two in a row break on bikes of my own (both Honda's back in the '80's) I pretty much quit fooling with 'em. Oh, I've a couple since then, but only as interim stopgaps until I put on something else. To me Tom's is more than worth the money as I know it won't break on a long haul trip.

But to each his own... I do ask that you folks don't inundate poor Tom with inquiries about his Excel cruise. At least not just yet. I *PROMISE* the instant he says he has 'em ready for the big S-10 I will report it here. He's a wonderful old gentleman, and I know he will have 'em ready just as soon as he can.

Dallara



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I thought it looked like one that Tom makes for BMW's. I have known him for years and he lives near me in IL. Glad he is making one for the S10.
 

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Well crap,,, I feel responsible for this and I apologize. I shouldn't have pushed for the info. I did look at his site though and I'm intrigued. I will wait for the word to come out here on the availability.

I don't mind spending money for what I want. I have gone through the Vista's before as well, and in my opinion, you only "rent" them. Sooner or later, it'll die.

I'm new to the S10 so, I'm still learning and farkling. Bars and guards are on my list of things to get. Not to hijack the thread but by the logic that was put out here, I have to ask myself, why would I spend large money on some very nice and very capable bars and guards, when others are less expensive, and, will "do the job"?

I am also a retired parts guy and I fully understand the amount of damage that can be done by a premature announcement. Please extend my apology to your source, and to you, and tell him he has moved to the top of my list.

Patiently waiting....
 

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No worries, Rotund One...

You didn't do anything more than ask a question, and that's what's supposed to happen on web forums!!! :D

And talk about coincidences... After Tom's name and web site was *outed* here I dropped him an e-mail and asked how close he thought he was to being ready to roll out the product for the Super Ténéré, and here was his reply, received just a few minutes ago:



"Allan, I have a Tenere in hand here in the shop for this week so I will be in touch in a few days on the final changes. By then I will be able to turn loose orders for them."



Looks like it will be very, very soon on the production models. Meanwhile, I better go back out now and do my part for Tom and log a few more miles this evening! It's a tough, tough job, but somebody's got to do it!
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It's all good!

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Well, there's poor product, mechanical empathy, and idiot proof. Some stuff is just the first. Lots of people suffer from a lack of the second, and it's a fools paradox to attempt the third.

I get that the product isn't ready, and I note that Tom says on the web site that the models below are 'in progress', please contact him to pre-order. My take is that he'd rather have pre-orders or he wouldn't list the S10 on his web site.

Not to get too defensive, but Tom put the S10 on his web site, all I did is post a link to what he decided to make public.

From what I've seen, he offers the best throttle lock for the bar end types. Me, I have opposable thumbs, not pinkies. ;)

Sure, the VC is just plastic, but I used the same one on two bikes for 200k before it wore out. ::)
 

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EricV said:
Well, there's poor product, mechanical empathy, and idiot proof. Some stuff is just the first. Lots of people suffer from a lack of the second, and it's a fools paradox to attempt the third.
So let me see... Then either the multitude of Vista-Cruises we had that disintegrated were a "poor product"... Or the customers that had the problems with 'em, along with myself, were too ham-fisted and inept to operate them?

Right??? :question:



EricV said:
I get that the product isn't ready, and I note that Tom says on the web site that the models below are 'in progress', please contact him to pre-order. My take is that he'd rather have pre-orders or he wouldn't list the S10 on his web site.

Not to get too defensive, but Tom put the S10 on his web site, all I did is post a link to what he decided to make public.

What was that line of Jeff Goldblum's from "The Big Chill"... ;)

"I don't know anyone who could get through the day without two or three juicy rationalizations. They're more important than sex... Ever gone a week without a rationalization?"

I was only doing as Tom asked me... Just like another guy I know who asked me not to mention pricing on some product he had for sale... And I didn't. :)

I guess I just should have kept my mouth shut completely about Tom's product. I just didn't think anybody would go digging about hunting for it. Especially somebody so happy with the Vista-Cruise!!! :D



EricV said:
From what I've seen, he offers the best throttle lock for the bar end types.

I gotta' agree with that! ::008::



EricV said:
Me, I have opposable thumbs, not pinkies. ;)

What? "Mechanical empathy" but no manual dexterity??? ???



EricV said:
Sure, the VC is just plastic, but I used the same one on two bikes for 200k before it wore out. ::)

I guess my shop, myself, and The Rotund One above got all the "poor product" ones, while you got the "idiot proof" ones, eh? ::)

We had so many disintegrate back when I had my Honda shop that we had a "Vista Box" behind the counter of exploded ones. We threw in all the broken ones we replaced, and used them for parts to try and fix our customers' ones that broke... Sort of our own *warranty* program, as Vista-Cruise literally refused to replace any that ever broke.

Oh, we sold a ton of 'em, mainly because they were cheap. But like many things, you often get what you pay for. I'm truly am glad they worked out for you, EricV. I guess I'm just glad I have good use of my little finger!!! :D

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::026:: for Murph's Kits and the CCS-100

I had a few issues on the install but it is well worth it, IMO. I built the vacuum canister from some 1.5" PVC and 2 end caps. The CC is smoother than the CC in my car. After doing a 3K trip without it and 2 Iron Butt days within that trip, that was what I was missing the most compared to my ST1300, an electronic CC.

My last trip was 5K+ and the CC was used every single day. If I rode a lot of short trips, it would not be that important. I like to set it and forget it, just listen for the RD in case I need to slow it down. Eat up miles at a steady pace...and no more wrist cramps!
 

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Just find it hard to believe I got the only good one. It's just a bit of plastic and a hinge. How do you break that?

We all have different needs and different takes on things. I am sure that Tom makes a quality product. I'm equally sure that it's about as ergonomic as a metric cat milker. ;D

Note: If you ski, you're not qualified to answer. O:)
 

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EricV said:
Just find it hard to believe I got the only good one. It's just a bit of plastic and a hinge. How do you break that?
Mostly it was the little rivet coming out of the plastic at the bottom, and once that fell out the thing was useless... and literally impossible to fix reliably, not to mention not worth it. Sometimes the plastic pin inside the thumb lever would break, or the thumb lever itself would crack. When either of those instances happened it was toast, too, if you were out on the road. We also had ones where the little brass screw nut would strip, or the aluminum screw threads from the lever would... And we sometimes had the front or rear halves just crack, too.

Honestly, I think you either did get a *good* one or a *bad* one, and Sound-Off's quality control was just *NOT* that consistent.

And don't get me to talking about what a piece of crap the big, clamp-around-the-bars, sleeve models were... Or how NEP's were an even bigger POS!!! :D



EricV said:
We all have different needs and different takes on things. I am sure that Tom makes a quality product. I'm equally sure that it's about as ergonomic as a metric cat milker. ;D

Well, it does help if you can walk and chew gum at the same time... ;)



EricV said:
Note: If you ski, you're not qualified to answer. O:)

Water or snow? :-\

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OK, so just getting back to the OP's original question :)

I actually have installed a Rostra unit and couldn't be happier. It's great for those long, boring sections between the interesting bits around here in Aus. I broke my right wrist some years ago and found long periods of slabbing it a problem. No longer!

Link to the instal on ADVRider
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=669228

Cheers
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I have a McCruise on my S10! I had one on my FJR also and I couldn't imagine a bike without it!

It is EXPENSIVE, but it has allowed me to enjoy my ST so much that I sold my BMW K1300GT!

Have a GREAT WEEKEND!

TCR
I installed a McCruise in my new leftover 2013 about a 1K miles ago, still works perfect. Would buy again in a heartbeat and there customer service is first rate.
 

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DamMechanic said:
I installed a McCruise in my new leftover 2013 about a 1K miles ago, still works perfect. Would buy again in a heartbeat and there customer service is first rate.
::026:: on the MCCruise. It's a dedicated unit for the S10. My electric servo MCCruise unit was also reviewed and approved by my insurer, prior to installation.

Not cheap, but still a good bit less than a lot of folk seem prepared to shell out for a couple of upmarket biscuit tins to lug their socks and underpants from A to B. ;)
 
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