Rear Shock - is it rebuildable / serviceable?

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Does anyone know if the rear shock is rebuildable? I have a Wilbers on my Strom and it is so much better than stock. I was wondering if the XT shock can be reworked if needed?

If it is not, I assume that someone like Sasquatch may still be able to work on it.
 

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My biggest problem with my FJR was the rear shock - I felt every crack in the road. I replaced it with a Wilbers which was nothing short of fantastic - completely changed the comfort and adjustability. I'm hoping the S10 shock will not need an upgrade. I looked on the Wilbers site but did not see anything available for the S10.
 

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I wonder if by any chance my Wilbers from the Strom will fit on the Tenere? Any suspension gurus out there?
 

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SpeedStar said:
Does anyone know if the rear shock is rebuildable? I have a Wilbers on my Strom and it is so much better than stock. I was wondering if the XT shock can be reworked if needed?

If it is not, I assume that someone like Sasquatch may still be able to work on it.
I looked at the service manual and could not find any indication that the shock could opened and rebuilt. It seems to say to replace it if there are any problems.
 

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I kind of doubt is serviceable too but just wanted to see if anyone knew for sure. Sasquatch suspension can do good work on units that are not supposedly rebuildable. I have heard good results from them on the Strom forum.
 

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Rather than start a new thread, I'll use this one since it is a rear shock question anyway.

I have seen video's and comments here who have noticed the sprung weight of the rear jumping around after an airborne landing. I assume this is due to insufficient rebound adjustment on the shock.

I keep hearing that the suspension is fully adjustable on these bikes, so is the rebound adjustable to control that bounce. (it's not like I'll be taking to a dirt track or anything) but it would be nice to know.
 

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never mind, I think I found the answer
 

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I have read many stories of non-serviceable shocks rebuilt by a good suspension shop. I am not worried nor am I ready to invest in an ohlins.
 

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I like Ohlins products. I have both front and rear on my GSXR. I use Ohlins USA in Hendersonville, NC for my work. I won't be investing in a Ohlins rear unless the bikes stock shock is utter crap. I only weigh 150 lbs so I typically don't need aftermarket shocks unless I am on a racetrack and the S10 won't be on a racetrack. I am a little concerned about the rebound on the rear shock since every video I have seen of the bike jumped it bounced back up after hitting the ground. Not a good sign IMO. I will wait and see.
 

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Most people never tinker with their shock settings. I wonder if those guys in the videos stifen up the rebound settings.
 

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Koinz said:
Most people never tinker with their shock settings. I wonder if those guys in the videos stifen up the rebound settings.
That is probably the real question to ask here. i am a culprit myself, in that I only adjust the stiffness (bick turnable black knob on rear shock) for load when I get the wife to join on the ride. I know that the rebound is adjustable, but what is the effect of adjusting it in practical layman terms. ???
 

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Yahmy said:
, but what is the effect of adjusting it in practical layman terms. ???
To stop the bounce back effect hence the word "rebound". Which in effect controls a shock's rate of extension motion after compressing. Soft rebound the shock springs back quickly, hard rebound a shock is slow to spring back. Not enough rebound into a shock and the bounce back will happen, not good for riding quickly over rough terrain. To much hard rebound and the shock will "pack in". This occur's when the shock does not extend out before being pounded back in on the next stroke. Again not good but usually you don't see this unless the person adjusting the shock does not know what he/she is doing.
 

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roy said:
....every video I have seen of the bike jumped it bounced back up after hitting the ground.
It's just YAMAHA's way of getting their dodgy bash plate away from the ground as quickly as possible. ;)
 

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SpeedStar said:
I wonder if by any chance my Wilbers from the Strom will fit on the Tenere? Any suspension gurus out there?
I wonder if the Wilbers from the TDM will fit in the Tenere? Seems more likely than the Strom shock fitting. Plus, this Wilbers is completely surplus right now; it's sitting in a box under my workbench. I put the TDM back to stock because I lost weight and my Wilbers shock became too harsh. But the Tenere weighs more than the TDM so it might just work out for the best. Hmmm...
 

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More riders spend $1500 on suspension parts based on internet tips then bother to do a careful setup of the stock suspension. On bikes like the S10, the stock suspension is actually pretty good - not the best, but pretty good and for most, probably adequate, especially with the right spring for their weight. The sad thing is that because of the generally wider range of aftermarket suspension parts adjustment, setup becomes even MORE critical than stock. I've been on lots of sportbikes with Ohins that are setup so far out of whack, the bikes are almost unrideable.

Do a good setup on the stock stuff and if you're at the limits of adjustability (e.g., can't get proper sag without excessive preload, bottoming/topping, insufficient rebound, etc.) or notice some other deficiency, then consider an upgrade. If you don't know how to do a good setup then do some reading and spend some quality time on a well-known section of bumpy road with a notebook and learn. Or find someone who can show you proper setup.

FWIIW, I've had three bikes with Ohlins and two with Penske's and overall, I thought the Penske stuff was better. I've also had some quirky experiences with the Ohlins USA shop in NC. So I'm no longer a big Ohlins fan although some of their stuff is undeniably good. I just think they've been on top so long, they're a little arrogant.

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markjenn said:
More riders spend $1500 on suspension parts based on internet tips then bother to do a careful setup of the stock suspension. On bikes like the S10, the stock suspension is actually pretty good - not the best, but pretty good and for most, probably adequate, especially with the right spring for their weight. The sad thing is that because of the generally wider range of aftermarket suspension parts adjustment, setup becomes even MORE critical than stock. I've been on lots of sportbikes with Ohins that are setup so far out of whack, the bikes are almost unrideable.

Do a good setup on the stock stuff and if you're at the limits of adjustability (e.g., can't get proper sag without excessive preload, bottoming/topping, insufficient rebound, etc.) or notice some other deficiency, then consider an upgrade. If you don't know how to do a good setup then do some reading and spend some quality time on a well-known section of bumpy road with a notebook and learn. Or find someone who can show you proper setup.

FWIIW, I've had three bikes with Ohlins and two with Penske's and overall, I thought the Penske stuff was better. I've also had some quirky experiences with the Ohlins USA shop in NC. So I'm no longer a big Ohlins fan although some of their stuff is undeniably good. I just think they've been on top so long, they're a little arrogant.

- Mark
Good points and yes it all goes back to SETUP. I prefer Ohlins USA because Mike Fitzgerald (aka thermosman) is a legend when it comes to suspension. He started out at Traxxion a long time ago. Ego's got the best of folks and he broke away. Good thing in a way. Most of your top AMA teams seek out his help on the grid but he has not forgot his roots. I have his cell number on my phone and can call him anytime and he will help me out. Makes no difference if he is at a AMA race weekend or not he takes the time to help. Traxxion is good as well but I don't think their service after the sell is as good. Max is too much about the dollar. Mike taught me a ton of suspension in's and out's at no charge. I am not an expert but I can make my own bike handle pretty good. That is very important when tires cost $350+ and a rear can be eat up in one practice session on a bad setup. Or worse you could crash $$$$. I suspect but do not know this but the S10 stock suspension is pretty good out of the box if you don't weigh 250+ or more. Even then it may work fine if you don't push hard which most won't. I currently have a GSXR600 that is on rails with Ohlins and with this setup I can burn 1:00 flat laptimes at Talladega (not the car track) and 1:35's at Barber. When the suspension get's tired (need a service) those laptimes rise as much as 4 seconds and the blisters pop up on my hands. I am talking warp speeds here. As a road bike I find that 95% of the stock components are more than enough for just about everyone unless you are a big person.

I have bought Penske just as many times as I have bought Ohlins and honestly there was no difference. Unlike switching tire brands.
 

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Years ago, I used to take the shock of my YZ apart, change the oil, o'rings, etc, recharge with nitrogen, it would be good for another season. They claimed it couldn't come apart. Obviously they hadn't me in mind when they said that. Perhaps this one is that way as well. We'll see when it gets here. Penske makes a well regarded shock, at least by some.
 

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Speedstar and others......the rear shock is a very high specification Showa unit. I expect it can be rebuilt by third party shops. But don't worry. You will likely be very happy with the stock suspension. Even with two up and lots of luggage it can take it and is top drawer. No need for a short or medium term suspension upgrade like on another brand. Cheers!
 
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