No starty.....Mother Bitch!

JonnyCinco

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Well...i have learned my lesson. Always check the forums, as the answer is much more simpler than you could imagine.

Went to change the oil since my Rawhyde long way back ride in January. Since that time, I washed the bike in April....and that was it. No riding and too much desk work. Bike did not start. It would attempt, but it did not turn over. Tried multiple times for 30sec to a minute..even tried bump starting (not sure WTF I was thinking). Never the less, I thought "shit my plugs are bad".

I went to start the process of taking off the tank, when I see the little airbox nipple thingie looks black. I take it off. FARK! full of gasy oil. WTF. Ok, now I definitely have to take it apart. As usual, taking things apart is easy and before I know it, I am staring at the top end thinking "shit, I hope I never have to do this in the middle of now where". Can I just say this....What was Yamaha thinking when 1) they bury the spark plugs so deep you need childlike hands to get to them after you take everything off the bike..and 2) who the fark engineered the tank bolts....whoever that was needs to be crucified. Sound harsh? Maybe, but after spending 10 minutes trying to get the left side bolts back in after this was all said and done, I felt as though I had plastic stakes driven through my hands.

Anyways, back on subject. I take the bolts out holding the spark plug boots (not sure how one is supposed to torque down the far right one, as it is impossible to get to) and find a ton of oil on each one. Clean them off, apply antiseize, reinstall, retorque, and reboot. ..........NOTHING! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA....time for some Arrogant Bastard Oaked Ale. That Bastard always knows how to cool me down. Jump on the forums and....low and behold....nearly 40 pages of this on one thread (granted, 37 pages are full of nothingness). But, it seems this is a problem. How do you fix it. Just hold the bitch in WOT and push the starter till it turns.

Well, sure as shit on shinola, after 5 seconds, it comes to life (sans airbox). White smoke everywhere and I am rocking out to the Stone singing Paint it Black.

Skip the not so nice language trying to get the left side tank bolts back in and she now has new oil, cleaned plugs with antiseize, and a new fuse (blow the one to the aux cig outlet).

SSSSOOOOOOOOO....after 40 pages of BS in the "Hard starting" thread, the answer is WOT it and hit the start switch. ::018::

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Nice post ::008:: I would agree the main tank bolts are a major pain in the h'arris when refitting. I ended up running a tap through mine as they seemed to be slightly chewed on the 1st few threads. Back to the no start issue, it reminds me when bikes and cars used to have carbs and chokes and if they went a bit off the engine wouldn't start due to flooding and it needed that WOT to get enough air in to burn the excess fuel (major pain if it was an autochoke that had to be manually opened on a car).
 

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Hey JonnyCinco, sorry you went through that. I learned a very long time ago that there are smarter people than me out there and that someone has gone through it before and had a relatively simple way to correct it... Now I read first and bust my knuckles later... And Yes, those plugs were put in by outerspace aliens with long slender fingers...
 

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You mention finding oil that you had to clean off, was that on the spark plug boots or the plug tips? Plug boots you have a leaky valve cover, plug tips, it was prolly fuel mixed with the carbon. LOL, that is what the WOT dries off so they're not grounded out.
 

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MrTwisty said:
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Thanks..., old common trick.... I do that since the old days with the 2-strokers.

BTW, on these new FI engines, it is better to wait a few seconds with the ignition key "ON" before hitting the Start button. Rotax used to recommend that.
 

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@ Don - the oil was on the plug tip itself, not the boot. I did have oil in the airbox, which I am assuming was from the overflow tube from the heads to the airbox.

@olie - I usually let the fuel pump do its thing for 5 seconds or so prior to starting. I am not sure if I would have continued to just depress the start button if it would have ever fired, as I did not have a single instance of it turning over prior to WOT solution. Also, I would never give it any throttle until it started...so, guess it just flooded due to on/off too many times?
 

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Just a note on the tank bolts I went to NAPA and picked up six side hex bolts and dumped the stock allen heads. Much easier to remove now and no problems getting the threads started. I had to run a tap through mine as well those OEM bolts like to strip.
 

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Just one more note. After you have taken of the plug coils and boots, use compressed air to blow out the plug holes. You don't need to use Anti seize if the plugs are NGK and those are the OEM plug. If your not careful anti seize can cause more problems. Also use plenty of dielectric grease on the boot.
My two cents.. lol
 

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WOT = Politically Correct version of WFO (what I grew up on).

I did three exercises in getting the tank loose (so far) and I found that those left side bolts weren't that difficult (even with the AltRider bars on) if the cowling is slid just as far forward as it can reasonably go. Those pivoting triangle mounts are a bit challenging to align, but I actually thought having them move around helped get the first colt started. Anyway, glad it started up for you ::26::
 

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JonnyCinco said:
....... @olie - I usually let the fuel pump do its thing for 5 seconds or so prior to starting. I am not sure if I would have continued to just depress the start button if it would have ever fired, as I did not have a single instance of it turning over prior to WOT solution. Also, I would never give it any throttle until it started...so, guess it just flooded due to on/off too many times?
Jonny, to prevent flooding, just don't "pump", stay open and cut the gas as you have ignition.
 

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Another tip on the side bolts to get them in easier, loosen the big pivot bolt in the back a bit. Sure, it pivots fine w/o doing that, but with it a tad loose, the rubber there flexes more and it's a lot easier to get the front tank bolts lined up. Sure do wish they had just used the FJR style bolts for the tank, right up top and easy to get to.

Glad you got the girl running JonnyCinco, you're due for a nice ride. ::012::
 
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