New ES vs old stock S10

[Rasher]

I doubt it. I'm guessing that in 2-3 years a new improved S10 will be out then with more ponies, better brakes (cornering ABS) and probably semi-active suspension. And your ES will be worth a couple grand more than the older one IF there are good solutions for replacing the worn ES shocks.

Regardless of a new model being out the same rules apply as have done for decades.....

* Vehicles depreciate quickly from new and then slower over time.

* Popular / reliable models will hold better value

* A "facelift" year model will definitely be more attractive, so in this case a used 2014 will have a bigger gap to a 2013 in 3 years time (2016) then say a 2012 would have had to a 2012 3 years on (in 2016)

When looking at old model on "new plate" (in the UK the registration plate indicates the bikes age - this alone will add some value when comparing a 2013 sold in 2013 to a 2013 sold in 2014) there will be a bigger gap, but similar rules apply....

If you bought a 2012 model in 2013 VS a 2013 model in 2013 and assume same mileage / condition a few years later in 2016 the difference would be minimal as there were no functional differences, both would have dropped from a £12k list to about £8k.

That scenario makes a lot of sense to buy last years model, a savvy buyer may try and knock a couple of hundred quid off because the bike is an "older" model, but you are talking a max of £300 - £400 compared to a saving of £1000 - £2000 on the discounted bike. A 2012 bike registered in 2012 would still be worth about £7k so there is no way buying the discounted bike would leave you out of pocket.

When big changes occur like with the S10 in 2014 there will be a much bigger gap, even the non ES will hold a fair premium in a few years time as it has more power, uprated clock and cruise control.

So I do agree the later model may also be a bit easier to sell as the chances are a lot of people would be happy to pay the small extra premium for the features buy buying a 2014 over a 2013, I also think it may shift the entire used value a little...

Perhaps in 3 years time a 2014 may hold £8200 instead, the popularity of the newer model keeping prices a shade keener, it could also mean that the older bikes drop a couple of hundred so the 4 year old 2013 is only worth £6800 instead of the expected £7000 - where would this leave a 2013 registered in 2014 as discussed here....

I would say almost certainly now much nearer the value of a 2013 registered 2013, so maybe £7200 -but again if you got £2000 off buying the older model you are still onto a winner.

 

[bloodline]

Stock suspension, ES or not, is not ideal for 2 up and loaded. I own a 2012. Personally, I'd get a '14 and not the ES. Spend the ES money on aftermarket suspension.

 

[Hungry Tiger]

bloodline nailed it. Stock ES still sprung for the proverbial 150lb Japanese male. Preload adj is a small thing compared to starting out with the correct spring.

 

[Donk]

Rasher it took you less words to compare the S10 to the Explorer! And BTW your comparison was pretty dead on. I find myself attacking corners on the S10 in a way that I don't on the Explorer although the Explorer is much better at on ramps to the highway! So the bottom line to which S10 is the better value comes down to this. Buy which ever one your comfortable with and go out and have a good time riding it. They're great bikes. There is no wrong answer here... although matt grey is a bit faster!

 

[JonDaddy82]

I rode the 13' and wasn't impressed, so I waited for the 14. I didn't like the windshield, low bars, power, lack of cruise, or the lack of heated grips on the 13'. The 14 showed up with everything I wanted, and I use the ES frequently and cruise control daily and it's exactly what I wanted. I didn't care for any Yamaha accessories because they aren't that great and the extra year of warranty on a bike that isn't going to brake doesn't matter. Buy once, cry once...you remember the product and performance long after you forget the price.

 

[BRAIN]

I chose to wait on the '14 I like the fact that the cruise and heated grips are standard and I dont have to take the time to add them
Other than trail riding my YZ250 and going to the local BMW dealership to "steal" some street time once I get this ST I'm going to want to ride it not play around in the garage ::26::

 

[XtreemLee]

I am amazed by the ES bashing by those that haven't experienced it. I have 3300 miles on my ES and have ridden a wide variety of loads (one up, one up touring, two up (heavy), two up (light), two up touring). I have also ridden local, off road (mild) and long distance (in the middle of an ID to WI trip). I have spent a good bit of time playing with the settings. I have owned Ohlins suspension on a 2000 RT, and many stock suspension set ups. I am 6'3" and 270 pounds and carry a variety of loads. I am not a suspension expert but as a real world user I know what I like. The Kayaba suspension on the ES is a great system. The on the fly damping adjustments really let you test what you like. Setting aside the adjustabily for a moment and just feeling how the bike responds I would say the suspension is of quite high quality comparing to other bikes I have owned. I think anyone planning on replacing their ES suspension before even owning it is a bit negative and premature.

 

[s-flow]

Owner of both 2011 (sold) and 2014, I would save up the money for the -14.

As all owners of the new version has experienced, Yamaha did a great job in polishing up the rough Diamond.
They didn't spare the efforts either, IMO the cruise control required a smoother engine to be superb, to offer
that magic feeling that hooked some of us up with the first ver at it's best moments. So imo. they "rebuilt" the
engine (it feels lots different from gen1.) for smoothness and sportiness (sorry my English). It revs fast and free
and have an Amazing power curve out of the box. This new flexibility suits the CC when it contantly adopt to the
envoiroment to keep exact speed, it gets train-like in a sweet way.

The ES is just a very well implemented "premium" comfort feature that I use quite often. Its kept clean, easy and I
have full trust in the reliability of it, the whole bike breaths practical use, function and reliability.. with that extra
"Kando" some development manager talked about in the models earlie days.

The rubber isolated aluminium handlebars is great to have stock, saves the work with the rox risers and new bar (for
me at least as I'm happy with the ergonomics.. yet.. still only got 300km trips as longest).

The windshield is about the same for me in buffeting, does protect more from the elements though.

So, just the new engine and the amazing cruise control is worth it imo. I also have to say I'm very fond of the 2014 White version color and styling!

Daniel

 

[XtreemLee]

So I've got 5000 miles on my ES a week ago it was 1300. I have been adjusting damping for road conditions. When I find bad highways I am playing with the damping often and on the fly. ES is awesome, screw the naysayers

 

[booner223]

I'm glad that those that have it are enjoying it. The ES that is. I too was on the fence between a 2013 leftover or what seemed like a hard to find 2014. I made the decision to buy a 2013 with the low price and the extra 1200 bucks Yamaha was willing to give. I couldn't justify the extra cost of the untested ES. Looks like the ES is performing well though and I will be buying one in 7 years when the 2013 is paid off.

 

[jgon632]

I have been pleased with the adjustable suspension on the ES. I make adjustments for carrying passengers and road conditions. I am very pleased with the stock suspension and have no plans to modify it. I probably would not have purchased the ES if it was a first year model, however its based on a proven platform with some updates added. I have 1500 miles on it in my first two weeks of ownership. The more I ride it, the more I like it!

 

[Mzee]

I have been pleased with the adjustable suspension on the ES. I make adjustments for carrying passengers and road conditions. I am very pleased with the stock suspension and have no plans to modify it. I probably would not have purchased the ES if it was a first year model, however its based on a proven platform with some updates added. I have 1500 miles on it in my first two weeks of ownership. The more I ride it, the more I like it!

Of course you will like it.

 

[Travex]

Truth is they're both great machines. As others have noted, the additions and refinements on the ES are appreciated and well implemented for a nominal price increase. I use each frequently and they all work perfectly.

For my pillions and myself the remote suspension adjustment is ideal as we're within the target weight range. Ideally simple when adjusting for load-out. Further, I found that suspension nearly indispensable on a recent 4k ride, it's longest to date. It's much more than a convenience to me now, it's customizing on the fly.

The cruise is the best I've had on anything. True, there are very good, inexpensive options out there for this, but I'm an OEM guy whenever possible.

The heated grips are simple, seamless and equilateral in their output, whereas the earlier OEM unit had a slight left/right imbalance with it's controller being a tad less convenient, though easily operated.

The engine refinements became evident quickly and are fairly profound. Not just in power delivery, but in vibration reduction and steadiness at idle. Oddly, I find the '14 (ES) somewhat lacking in that "thumper" feel I got in my hind end on the '12. I do miss that.

With 10k on it now I feel it was a good move for me. Whether features, cost, or even color are concerns, you can rest assured that there's no wrong decision as you can't go wrong with either of these Swiss Army knives of motorcycles.

 

[Donk]

Travex You got that right!