Moving the oil filter... or fix a shorter one

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I never liked where the oil filter is in the ST but now with the 21" front wheel I am determined to move it.
This could bring that the sump guard could be closer to the engine and the wheel don’t touch in it.
Does anyone have experience of this? :question:
 

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Re: Moving the oil filter

Interesting idea, but where do you want to locate the filter to? If protection is of interest, and I assume it would be with all the dirt and rocks coming off your front tire, seems like some kind of skid plat extension is in order too.

On a slightly related topic, I did an oil change (oil only no filter) without removing the Altrider skidplate. Bah! What a pain. It would have been easier to remove the skidplate first. I'll be happy to remove it at the next oil/filter change interval.
 

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Re: Moving the oil filter

Boondocker said:
Interesting idea, but where do you want to locate the filter to? If protection is of interest, and I assume it would be with all the dirt and rocks coming off your front tire, seems like some kind of skid plat extension is in order too.

On a slightly related topic, I did an oil change (oil only no filter) without removing the Altrider skidplate. Bah! What a pain. It would have been easier to remove the skidplate first. I'll be happy to remove it at the next oil/filter change interval.
There is a space between my ACD skid plate and the engine. I hope is big enough if I could put the filter vertical. I don’t think I need an extension to the plate and it could be protected from rocks.
If I can move it I wouldn’t need the “box” in the skid plate to fit the filter and wich is very close to de 21” wheel.
Took the skid plate to change the oil is not an issue to me, it is not difficult and as you said is a pain (oil all over the plate…)

 

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Re: Moving the oil filter... or find a smaller one

Today I was looking to move it... it's not easy, heavier, more lines... more possible troubles… I'm not sure about it.
A much easier option could be replace the OEM filter for a shorter one. Just 10 mm could make a big difference.
Do you know if this is possible?, does the engine can be damaged? :question:
Thanks! ::003::
 

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Re: Moving the oil filter... or find a smaller one

JaimeV said:
Today I was looking to move it... it's not easy, heavier, more lines... more possible troubles… I'm not sure about it.
A much easier option could be replace the OEM filter for a shorter one. Just 10 mm could make a big difference.
Do you know if this is possible?, does the engine can be damaged? :question:
Thanks! ::003::
I'm not sure of the new filter you have in mind, but you need to watch flow and differential pressure.

A filter is a restrictor, so it can reduce the flow of oil and increase the pressure differential across it. While a shorter filter may have a specification showing enough flow rate, you watn to remember that the restriction gets worse real fast as the filter gets used and dirty. At the absolute minimum, I'd look at the spec to make sure the flow rate is what the stock one has, then reduce time between changes for a shorter filter.

Couldn't you run 2 oil lines to locate the filter behind the engine, in the side cover, etc?
 

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Re: Moving the oil filter... or find a smaller one

Checkswrecks said:
I'm not sure of the new filter you have in mind, but you need to watch flow and differential pressure.

A filter is a restrictor, so it can reduce the flow of oil and increase the pressure differential across it. While a shorter filter may have a specification showing enough flow rate, you watn to remember that the restriction gets worse real fast as the filter gets used and dirty. At the absolute minimum, I'd look at the spec to make sure the flow rate is what the stock one has, then reduce time between changes for a shorter filter.
Thanks I’m going to look if the filters specs show the flow rate and pressure.

Checkswrecks said:
Couldn't you run 2 oil lines to locate the filter behind the engine, in the side cover, etc?
Probably but I think it adds more complexity and possibilities to a failure, I will do this if there is not a better option. ::003::
 

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Check out a filter for a Honda GL1800 Goldwing, I think they are the same basic filter but are shorter.
 

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Jamie, the stock filter is 65 mm long and 68 mm in diameter. No gain from making it fit vertically Vs horizontally. There are compact filter relocation fittings that would allow you to move the filter someplace else, but you would need to source those at a hose shop and get the fittings you needed to go the direction desired. Most likely right angle 90˚ fittings, then some swaged hose assemblies to run to the filter adapter that would need to be mounted someplace.

The trick is where to mount the filter adapter. Once you figure that out, getting the hose assemblies made to connect the two is less of an issue, but you need to pay attention to where abrasion may occur and protect the hoses to avoid that.

I've made various remote oil filter kits for different vehicles that had hard to access filters. The Super Ten with a skid plate does offer some challenges. One of the issues is that most oil filter relocation kits are for larger filters. It's considered desirable to have a larger filter in auto applications, but not so much for us with the Super Tenere. Space is an issue, as are mounting locations, accessibility and protection from debris.

edit: Looking at things, I may be able to make something up that would run the filter horizontal, facing to the left side, which would potentially solve your issue, but not make the filter accessible w/o removing the skid plate with the ACD unit. On the Rumbux, it might actually be possible to remove the filter with the skid plate in place, but you'd still need to remove it to get to the drain plugs. I'm thinking it may be possible to mount the new filter base to the front extension on the oil sump that the oem skid plate, (and AltRider unit), bolt to. Just need to play with some parts and look at hose routing. I'll look at a vertical orientation too, but not sure about that, as I'd prefer not to have the filter pointing up, for air pocket concerns.
 

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EricV said:
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edit: Looking at things, I may be able to make something up that would run the filter horizontal, facing to the left side, which would potentially solve your issue, but not make the filter accessible w/o removing the skid plate with the ACD unit. On the Rumbux, it might actually be possible to remove the filter with the skid plate in place, but you'd still need to remove it to get to the drain plugs. I'm thinking it may be possible to mount the new filter base to the front extension on the oil sump that the oem skid plate, (and AltRider unit), bolt to. Just need to play with some parts and look at hose routing. I'll look at a vertical orientation too, but not sure about that, as I'd prefer not to have the filter pointing up, for air pocket concerns.
Hi EricV
I don’t mind to remove the skid plate to change the filter. Is not so terrible!!

I think this front extension is perfect to fix the filter because there still remains protected by the ACD.
I’m looking for a simple (and cheap) option. If I can’t have a shorter filter then I could look for the relocation, so if you work in it keep us informed please!
Many thanks
 
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