Moto Guzzi Stelvio

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I’d written in the V85TT thread:
…That said, I’m still curious about the new V100 Stelvio and looking for time to do a test ride. So far from what I keep hearing on the Stelvio I think it’s going to be like a lighter more powerful Super Tenere. The only thing that has me a little apprehensive is looking at photos of the seat. I hate seats that lock my butt in place.

And the amount of money to lose in the trade…
Finally got a chance to take one out for a half hour plus in the twisted of Western Maryland and liked it so much I’m going to start looking for one to replace the V85. The bike does everything well, is really well balanced overall and what I wish Yam would do with the S10.

Great torque down low and very smooth power to red line. With the height it is not as agile in the tight curves as the V85 but not far off, and still worlds better than the 1200s. The wind management is vastly better than on the V85TT but I do think I’d want a slightly bigger windshield. I liked that you could change the traction control and inhibit the ABS easily. Even so it is more biased toward roads and gravel than true hard core off road.

The two complaints I’ve seen on the Guzzi forums are (1) weight and top heaviness and (2) it’s almost too Japanese.

Yes, it is a bit tall and top heavy to push around but nothing like Super Ten, GS, or big Triumph. Starting out with just making little circles in the parking lot you could feel how much lighter and more maneuverable it is. So I’d say this is a characteristic and not an actual negative.

As for being “too Japanese,” yes it is very nicely finished and refined unlike the Guzzis of old times. The bike as a whole is well balanced. Power delivery is really smooth and linear. Turn off the traction control and the front wheel comes up any time you want. Plus not many Japanese bikes have top notch suspension parts.

The only downer was how the rear seat catches the tailbone, as I originally suspected it might. After 20 minutes it really does become a pain in the ass. What was shocking was how much better it was simply by popping off the rear seat. With just that I could’ve ridden all day. Since we tend to ride 2-up a lot an aftermarket seat will be in order.
 

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Hmmmm . . . . How long did you have your Tenere? And from what I can tell, was quite happy/satisfied with it. Now . . . . it's been Triumph, to 'Guzzi, and . . . . very likely . . . . 'Guzzi again. In a relatively short amount of time. Apparently, you still haven't found that comfy slipper yet?
 

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Hmmmm . . . . How long did you have your Tenere? And from what I can tell, was quite happy/satisfied with it. Now . . . . it's been Triumph, to 'Guzzi, and . . . . very likely . . . . 'Guzzi again. In a relatively short amount of time. Apparently, you still haven't found that comfy slipper yet?
Nice going round in circles and trying different bikes though. Then we get a great report on it so we can evaluate them without buying. Carry on this Man.
 

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Hmmmm . . . . How long did you have your Tenere? And from what I can tell, was quite happy/satisfied with it. Now . . . . it's been Triumph, to 'Guzzi, and . . . . very likely . . . . 'Guzzi again. In a relatively short amount of time. Apparently, you still haven't found that comfy slipper yet?
Fair thought Robert but note the title of the thread “V85TT for now” was because I had an inkling about what it would be like to merge the V100 engine from the Mandello into the V85TT chassis.

Compared to the Ténéré the Stevio is both lighter (485-ish iirc) more powerful. (115 hp) I knew the Triumph was a mistake almost right from the start in a number of ways. That’s a true bike designed by a committee. Physically the Stelvio is slightly smaller than the Tenere so the Tenere feels more planted for going back to Alaska, but the extra weight of Stelvio was more stable than the V85 which does OK.

Talking to the Guzzi District factory reps and the dealer mechanics was pretty enlightening about the engine. It’s been sold in the Mandello for two years and after a few early ones has not had any real issues. Biggest bitch they hear from customers is the clunk of going into first being like a lot of Jap bikes (wet clutch) and that break in can take seemingly forever. The Again the Ténéré has that too.

Biggest two chassis bitches are the length of the side stand and some people have found the front is smoother with lighter fork oil. I didn’t have a problem with either. I was surprised how much protection the front gave for turbulence even with the little windshield. It can be moved up and down which did virtually nothing so I can see replacing that at some point.

The Stelvio thread on ADV
 

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. . . . The Stelvio thread on ADV
And this is where personal preference comes in. He's not a fan of drama free Japan bikes. I wouldn't have anything but. I think all bikes are visceral, but he does not. Doesn't matter. Ride what you like.

But there was one comment he made that I have to disagree with empirically. He mentioned twisting the throttle and there being a lag in response. He then compared it to Japanese bikes or newer Beemers. I don't know if he speaking about the lag solely associated with this bike or Japan bikes (and Beemers) in general. We all know there is zero lag in the Tenere throttle. (some love that, and some hate that)
 

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And this is where personal preference comes in. He's not a fan of drama free Japan bikes. I wouldn't have anything but. I think all bikes are visceral, but he does not. Doesn't matter. Ride what you like.

But there was one comment he made that I have to disagree with empirically. He mentioned twisting the throttle and there being a lag in response. He then compared it to Japanese bikes or newer Beemers. I don't know if he speaking about the lag solely associated with this bike or Japan bikes (and Beemers) in general. We all know there is zero lag in the Tenere throttle. (some love that, and some hate that)
I've known him for a number of years thru our Camp-N-Ride events and Lupin is a cool guy who is a hard core Guzzi-ista. But as he notes his frame of reference is an old classic dry clutch 2010 Stelvio.

Milo (also from WV and part of our community) has had a new Stelvio for five months now and I'd agree with his post after Lupin's, saying
"The engine is wonderful, it's smooth, makes good power everywhere with near perfect throttling and no flat spots. "

I've found that one of the best ways to find troublesome fuel injection is doing really tight circles in a parking lot and the Stelvio was flawless at it.
 

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. . . . I've found that one of the best ways to find troublesome fuel injection is doing really tight circles in a parking lot and the Stelvio was flawless at it.
I've always done that with "new" bikes that I'm riding for the first time. But it's one of the reasons that I couldn't understand the complaints with the Tenere's throttle. Bar lock turns to the point of getting dizzy. 'Till one day I realized that I was compensating with the clutch and rear brake making everything smooth as silk. Wasn't even conscious that I was doing it. "My" favorite bike ever. Other will disagree. :cool:
 

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Compared to the Ténéré the Stevio is both lighter (485-ish iirc) ((actually, more like 542 curb weight)) more powerful. (115 hp) I knew the Triumph was a mistake almost right from the start in a number of ways. That’s a true bike designed by a committee.
I always think about this when you talk of your hate of the Triumph.;)
 
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He definitely seems to like his LOL.

So many reviews of bikes boil down to personal feelings about the bike. It's easy to quantify that Bike A has more horsepower than Bike B, or one has a lower curb weight, or a longer range, etc. Anything beyond those types of categories becomes more subjective than objective. I can recall guys on here saying that the jerky throttle made the S10 almost unrideable, or that the engine was too tractor-like, or the wind protection was inadequate, or the stock suspension was terrible. None of those things ever bothered me about the Yamaha, but I totally believe that the guys who didn't like those aspects of the bike were being honest from their perspective.

One area that cars really have the advantage over bikes is that, if I have questions about how a new Camry rides, I can just pop down to any number of Toyota dealers and try one. If I want to look at a Moto Guzzi or a Triumph, it's a minimum of an hour drive to the nearest Triumph dealer, and closer to 2 hours to the nearest Guzzi place. And I've found that a lot of motorcycle dealers are very reluctant to let you test ride a bike, or just outright say no. I was really fortunate when I bought the Super Tenere; I'd never even sat on one, before I put my deposit down over the phone to Romney Cycles. It was a real leap of faith that ended up working out. I find myself looking at other bikes now that the S10 has passed the 100,000 mile mark, and it's a lot more difficult to come up with a potential replacement than I thought it would be.
 

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I’ve now had four bikes in two years - the 2014 Super Tenere (2nd of two after the 2011 in the first PDP deliveries that got hung up with the Fukushima disaster), a surprisingly unreliable and cumbersome 2023 Triumph 1200 GTPro, the outgoing 2021 Moto Guzzi V85TT Centenario travel, and now a 2024 Guzzi V100 Stelvio. It’s already clear the Stelvio is going to be a keeper. While the bike is really good on the highway but not as good as a Tenere or GS, I’m not looking to head back to Alaska on this one and the lighter weight and increased power are just what I want for some highway, lots of back roads, and exploring gravel. Riding is fun and exciting again.

When I got the V85TT I suspected it would be an interim bike. I got to like it despite the antique air cooled 75 hp motor because it is such a friendly bike with a lot of character & started to think about just keeping it. Twist the throttle and it’d say “let me think for a few seconds” then move right along. It absolutely loved twisty corners and actually did pretty well when we were 2-up.

And while I liked the bike something was missing. I was riding less and had less passion for the machine. While powerful enough I always wanted just a little more than it was delivering. My knees would get cramped after a couple of hours and my right wrist would fall asleep. It was like the little engine in the kids story saying “I think I can, I think I can” and indeed it would get there but it just wasn’t the bike to go exploring the way I want to.

Plus, I rode a couple of Mandellos with the new V100 engine when I was getting the V85TT and there was plenty of press about how they were putting the V100 into an adventure style frame to be the new V100 Stelvio that was finally released early this year. It didn’t take much to imagine the combination of engine and frame, and when I got to ride a couple of V100 Stelvios over the last couple weeks the hook was set. Guzzi also was able to address the issues of the new engine in the first year it was in the Mandello, so the Stelvio has smoother shifting, thicker cases, a longer swing arm, etc.

First day: Rode 230 miles in 5.5 hours, mostly on back roads. That came after just less than 3 hours and 160 miles on the V85TT to get to the dealer. In the middle of today’s ride I was still doing surprisingly well and stopped at Romney Cycle to hop on a new Super Tenere, which of course was modeled on the BMW 1200 GS. Still like the Super Tenere but wanted something with a shaft that’s lighter, smaller, and more powerful.

On pulling out of the dealer driveway and after riding the V85TT in, the first impressions are the smoothness, acceleration, narrower waist, and superior wind management on the Stelvio. The wind management is surprisingly good for how small the windshield is, especially after the constant light buffetting of the V85 that came from the fork area. There’s a bit of helmet shake but not bad andI have a topper to see if wind management could be improved further at face level - but can live with it as-is regardless.

Power delivery and throttle response are perfect. Can switch on fly between 5 riding modes, which includes instantly switching off the rear traction control by selecting off-road. The Triumph required stopping and digging through a menu to do that. Even better, the various parameters for each of the riding modes can be customized. The display screen and switches (other than the horn) SO much easier to use and intuitive than the V85TT or Triumph.


(web photo)

I’d been afraid of the Stelvio seat from two quick test rides and just sitting in the showrooms. The feet-hand-seat relation of the Stelvio is very similar to Super Tenere and GS although the bike and seat are narrower and shorter. Because of the smaller size, weight, and seat, the Stelvio will not be as good for 12+ hour days as the 1290, GS, or Tenere but it won’t be bad either. The Tenere, GS, & 1290 are just larger and heavier, and dare I say more ponderous.

It would be nice to have extra seat area to slide back on, but this really was only an issue after being on the road for almost 4 hours because it took that long to develop hot spots. While it’s easy to get more seat area by simply riding without the rear seat, I have a 1” gel seat to try because again, we are doing more 2-up. Standing on the pegs is easier than on the V85TT and again similar to the Super Tenere. Never had the cramped knee feeling like after hours on the V85TT. And the bend in the bars is more like the Tenere so I didn’t have the sleepy hand issue that hours on the V85TT would sometimes result in.

The Stelvio has some top heaviness like the Tenere when coming off the side stand, but nowhere near as much. The big difference is in power delivery, since the 1200 Tenere is like a locomotive when starting to roll and the Stelvio just puts down smooth power. The Stelvio is a MUCH more fun bike to ride on twisty roads and is less of a handful on gravel.

People either love or hate the color which Guzzi calls Savanah Yellow and I say is road sign yellow. I do like it but would’ve bought the Asphalt Gray if it didn’t have the color of green booger snot under the eagle. Not crazy about the big STELVIO plastered on the tank sides and if I ever want to change it will be easy since the side panels are relatively easy to remove pieces of plastic so could be vinyl wrapped.

Warranty is 2 year unlimited miles and another 2 years (total 4) can be purchased at nay time in the first year.

Matching yellows!!!


Matching yellows again!!! ;)

Downsides:
Mentioned the seat.

The biggest power issue is that it clunks into 1st because the idle speed is set to 1,500 rpm. Definitely something that didn’t take long to get used to and it turns out the TPS sensor is in the grip itself so this is controlled by the ECU software and the bike is too new for anybody to have cracked into it.

Rear shock is a bit too stiff, which rally only becomes an issue after hours of riding rough roads.

The kick stand is too short.

First World issue that the horn button is where my thumb naturally wants the turn signal to be, so I keep inadvertently beeping the horn. It’s so pathetically weak that it’ll get replaced at some point. The turn signal switch is above the horn button, just higher than my habit.

Radiator too exposed for real off road and needs aftermarket guard screen.
 
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Sure looks like a very nice adventure bike ! Love the shaft drive. I would love to do a test ride but no dealers around here.
 

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love love that bike, getting a test ride in the dealer 5 minutes up the road from me shortly, they have both colours and a demo for sale to,

i never ride off road, and the uk weather is shit, had my spokes done in stainless, don,t want spokes asgain, was wondering if you could buy a stelvio, with the mandellos lovely alloy wheels on it the stelvio would look great with the alloys on

Rob
 

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Nice looking bike. Little quirks can sometimes be termed character. :) Try a purple seat pad. I'm using a 1" model on the Tenere, haven't found anything more comfortable and cooler both.
 

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He was certainly enthusiastic in his review of the Triumph Explorer. I enjoyed Checkswrecks review of the Stelio a lot more because he actually said something more than "wow this is great". Thanks for the write up.

There is a big difference between liking a bike during a road test and finding a bike that you can live with. Of course most of the live with comes down to personal preference. The one thing that goes beyond reliability is quality components. A bike may never leave you stranded on the side of the road but if you're back at the dealer too often for little issues it doesn't take too long for the bike to lose favor. It can be anything from fuel sensors to repeated warning lights for issues that are not to switches not working. Eventually they sour the ownership experience. I had a Super Duke GT that had a habit of throwing a "cornering light failure" warning and there was nothing worse than riding around on a sunny day staring at the warning.

All of that aside; Checkswrecks enjoy that sharp looking new bike and hope you get many happy miles from it. I'm going to the WI Moto Guzzi rally tomorrow, just need to decide if I'm taking the NC750 or the S10! :)
 
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