Mandatory recall coming: Hard start

[Bryce]

I think it can be "mandatory" if you bring it into a dealer for work. They may not be "allowed" by corporate to release the bike without that work being done. I've had that happen before with a Harley but that was a safety recall and not something like the hard start issue some have.

IMO, that's the only mandatory part of it.. you take it to a dealer for service and they are going to Flash/Replace ECU without asking. It's a CYA for Yamaha. it's up to the owner to show up to get a recall done. if you don't show up, they've done their part.

 

[Pterodactyl]

Okay, commencing to hold my breath time.... now.

 

[toypro1]

Thanks for the follow up

 

[sallydog]

hard start is a royal PITA when it happens. i will be at the dealer the day after the recal

 

[OldRider]

A voice of reason in this thread. I live in Texas and currently own three bikes that have outstanding safety recalls on them:

2004 KLR that the recall on the exhaust that has been outstanding on it for almost 10 years.

2012 Goldwing for the brake system that may cause the rear wheel to lock up.

2012 Super Tenere has two outstanding recalls on it. Fuel Tank and headlight harness.

None of them have prevented me from getting the bikes inspected or registered.

I have also never had a hard start on my Flashed bike.

The brake problem on the Wing and the HL harness on the S10 are the real deal. I've seen several Wings with the rear pads and the disc fried.

 

[Shovelhead]

it's up to the owner to show up to get a recall done. if you don't show up, they've done their part.

"Legally", I wonder what, if any, requirement there is to advise an owner of a recall?
No recall i've ever received on anything has ever been sent registered mail.

People move, new address, bikes get sold to multiple owners, mail gets lost ---- a lot.

Just thinking in terms of a case where someone gets hurt or a partial or a total loss of the bike due to a known problem involving a recall where the injured or owner never had knowledge of the recall.

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[HeliMark]

Dang, this is getting better than the VW TDI forum....... ::025::

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Mark

 

[bnschroder]

A voice of reason in this thread. I live in Texas and currently own three bikes that have outstanding safety recalls on them:

2004 KLR that the recall on the exhaust that has been outstanding on it for almost 10 years.

2012 Goldwing for the brake system that may cause the rear wheel to lock up.

2012 Super Tenere has two outstanding recalls on it. Fuel Tank and headlight harness.

None of them have prevented me from getting the bikes inspected or registered.

I have also never had a hard start on my Flashed bike.

Hi Simmons1, a good friend of mine just recently had the rear brake on his Goldwing lock up, right after he had done the first brake fluid change in 7(!) years (should have skipped that). Fortunately no accident, but a hassle, and he missed our trip to the Barber Vintage Days. So perhaps that is one you want to take seriously (or just never change your brake fluid)

 

[simmons1]

Hi Simmons1, a good friend of mine just recently had the rear brake on his Goldwing lock up, right after he had done the first brake fluid change in 7(!) years (should have skipped that). Fortunately no accident, but a hassle, and he missed our trip to the Barber Vintage Days. So perhaps that is one you want to take seriously (or just never change your brake fluid)

Thanks for the heads up! I actually had this exact problem on my ST1300 back in 2005. They never recalled the ST and it took the dealer months to figure out the problem. I learned on the ST what to do if I have the same problem on the Wing. My 2012 brakes have been flushed a cable times so far. I am not sure how wide spread the problem really is. There are lots of Wings with several hundred thousand miles that still work fine. I have also read about many dealer induced problems that happened while the recall work was being done, which makes me hesitate to take the bike in to a dealer to have the work done.

 

[jmcgilroy]

I've got some first hand knowledge that applies only to the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia regarding the "mandatory part". I had a Harley that had a recall on the gas cap and CARB sent out a notice that said the recall service must be performed or the bike would not be registered the following year. Currently (at least for now) motorcycles are exempt from bi-annual smog testing, so the registration angle is what they used.

 

[stutrump]

Why only from 2012 models? Im a bit mifffed about that!!! My 2011 model has had the hard start about 6 times in 3 years

 

[Dogdaze]

Why only from 2012 models? Im a bit mifffed about that!!! My 2011 model has had the hard start about 6 times in 3 years

Simply because this applies to the US as they did not introduce the S10 into the US market until 2012........... we are SOL in Europe.

 

[EricV]

Its important to remember that each country has it's own Yamaha group. In many cases, a recall that starts in one group will move to the other groups as well, when it applies to all groups. I would not be surprised if Yamaha UK, Yamaha Canada, Yamaha France, etc. all issue the recalls once it's hit Yamaha US. The exception would be if the recall was specific to one group's bikes. Like a part of the wiring harness that is unique to US bikes, since we don't have immobilizers, (or hazards on the older bikes).

Lets all not call our dealers on Feb 1st, eh? No point in putting a scare in to them, and never mind the subsequent BS factor that will sweep the web once this gets wide spread, yet before anyone actually sees the recall notice from Yamaha.

 

[JRE]

I wouldn't get too worked up about it yet...so far it's hearsay and speculation - not that I think anyone is being disingenuous.

 

[Big Blu]

IMO, that's the only mandatory part of it.. you take it to a dealer for service and they are going to Flash/Replace ECU without asking. It's a CYA for Yamaha. it's up to the owner to show up to get a recall done. if you don't show up, they've done their part.

I suspect it's more then that's. If the bike does not meet federal emission requirements they are required by law to correct the problem.

Paul

 

[Dogdaze]

Lets all not call our dealers on Feb 1st, eh? No point in putting a scare in to them, and never mind the subsequent BS factor that will sweep the web once this gets wide spread, yet before anyone actually sees the recall notice from Yamaha.

::026::, sit back, relax and see what happens, at the end of the day, it will be down to Yamaha how and when they proceed with this.

 

[r1d1]

Why would Yamaha issue a recall for an ECU bug, based on a problem with a bike which had previously had it's ECU flashed?

 

[Bryce]

Why would Yamaha issue a recall for an ECU bug, based on a problem with a bike which had previously had it's ECU flashed?

my thoughts exactly.
the OPs bike was flashed according to the OP
http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=12650.msg204255#msg204255
I'm not sure why Yamaha would touch this bike, let alone replace it.
BTW.. the bike caught on fire as a result of excessive cranking ( http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=17562.msg261860#msg261860 ) not an ECU program issue. OK, the Excessive cranking was probably the result of an ECU issue, but I think the MOM warns about not cranking excessively, too.
this would actually lead me to an electrical (wiring or starter motor) issue or maybe a change in ECU programming that would stop someone from cranking the bike longer than XX seconds.

 

[TXTenere]

my thoughts exactly.
the OPs bike was flashed according to the OP
http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=12650.msg204255#msg204255
I'm not sure why Yamaha would touch this bike, let alone replace it.
BTW.. the bike caught on fire as a result of excessive cranking ( http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=17562.msg261860#msg261860 ) not an ECU program issue. OK, the Excessive cranking was probably the result of an ECU issue, but I think the MOM warns about not cranking excessively, too.
this would actually lead me to an electrical (wiring or starter motor) issue or maybe a change in ECU programming that would stop someone from cranking the bike longer than XX seconds.

I too was very skeptical of this story, due to the above. However, I did find a later post that said before "exporting" the bike to Hawaii, the flash was removed and the ECU was restored to stock.

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[r1d1]

IHowever, I did find a later post that said before "exporting" the bike to Hawaii, the flash was removed and the ECU was restored to stock.

OP post #27 doesn't say where or when the reflash to stock was done, but that the tech spotted it had been reflashed from standard.