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As we all know the Tenere is made in Japan. This is one of the reasons I purchased. In my experience all products I have that were made in Japan as been very reliable and great quality. The Super Tenere is no exception. I know the new VMAX, R1, and R6 is made in Japan but are there any other bikes and cars still manufactured and assembled in Japan? What does the orther forum members think of products made in Japan? Any bad experiences?
 

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Except for two of my Gold Wings, all of my Japanese bikes were made in Japan.
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I'm not sure there is any US production of Japanese motorcycles these days. Honda used to build Goldwings in Ohio and Kawasaki built Concours in Nebraska, but I think these operations have been shuttered. Thailand and Vietnam are the current places where Japanese production is out-sourced, but it is mostly cheaper/smaller bikes and scooters.

There have been studies done and there doesn't appear to be much correlation between where a bike is assembled and the quality/reliability. Japanese nameplate vehicles are generally the most reliable, regardless of where the vehicle is actually built. This is both because parts and assemblies are produced all over the world so the final assembly point is less important. And a company imports their production processes and tooling when they build a plant in another country.

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My '09 KLR was built in Thailand and to date zero problems after 7k miles (knocks on wood).

I've had a few assembled in the U.S. Japanese cars and have noticed a few minor 'fit and finish' problems I haven't seen on the ones I've owned that were built in Japan. Then again, I did have an '02 Subaru WRX that was built in Japan that had a defective transmission from new (would pop out of 1st gear). I have a '11 WRX on order and they're still built in Japan, but the Legacys and Outbacks are built in Indiana. Anyways, all of the foregoing is just anecdotal, but in general I'd still prefer my Japanese cars and bikes to come from Japan even though I can't really quantify why. Just like it better is all, despite the experience with the '02 WRX.
 

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A friend of mine bought an early build Suzuki (Boulevarde in the US?) M109R. It had a few quality issues, such as peeling chrome on an accessory backrest. It was assembled in the US from memory. Whether the issues were early build issues OR accessory issues I don't know, but there were a few niggles with that bike. Haven't read much on the interwebs of anything significant though, But QA always seems to be a little off outside Japan.

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Scoobynut said:
My '09 KLR was built in Thailand and to date zero problems after 7k miles (knocks on wood).

I've had a few assembled in the U.S. Japanese cars and have noticed a few minor 'fit and finish' problems I haven't seen on the ones I've owned that were built in Japan. Then again, I did have an '02 Subaru WRX that was built in Japan that had a defective transmission from new (would pop out of 1st gear). I have a '11 WRX on order and they're still built in Japan, but the Legacys and Outbacks are built in Indiana. Anyways, all of the foregoing is just anecdotal, but in general I'd still prefer my Japanese cars and bikes to come from Japan even though I can't really quantify why. Just like it better is all, despite the experience with the '02 WRX.
I had a 05 KLR built in Thailand and had no issues as well.
The GF is in the market for a car and I've been pointing her in the direction of Subaru becasue of all the good reports.
 

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markjenn said:
I'm not sure there is any US production of Japanese motorcycles these days. Honda used to build Goldwings in Ohio and Kawasaki built Concours in Nebraska, but I think these operations have been shuttered. Thailand and Vietnam are the current places where Japanese production is out-sourced, but it is mostly cheaper/smaller bikes and scooters.

There have been studies done and there doesn't appear to be much correlation between where a bike is assembled and the quality/reliability. Japanese nameplate vehicles are generally the most reliable, regardless of where the vehicle is actually built. This is both because parts and assemblies are produced all over the world so the final assembly point is less important. And a company imports their production processes and tooling when they build a plant in another country.

- Mark
You make a very good point. I think culture may play a large roll in the quality of a japanese product built in Japan. I think this because most of the work being done by japanese residents take pride in the work they do and would be ashamed (ashamed might be to strong a word) if there was any defect in the product they played a part in making/creating. Not to say an american or canadian worker feels any different but the cultural differences I think does make a big difference.
 

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I had a 05 KLR built in Thailand and had no issues as well.
The GF is in the market for a car and I've been pointing her in the direction of Subaru becasue of all the good reports.
I will need to get a car before the snow flies. I was going to buy a new car but I blew the money on a Super10 instead. O:) So I am looking at used cars. Subarus are on my list. However people keep telling me that Subaru head gaskets are like BMW final drives. I might buy one anyway, because I drive so little. But it is giving me pause.
 

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Triumph assembles bikes in Thailand. My Tiger was made there. No issues to report, except that the headstock nut came loose at about a thousand miles and needed re-torquing.
 

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The Honda Marysville plant for GoldWings and the Hamamatzu plant in Japan were recently combined in a new state of the art facility in Japan. I don't know the name of the town off the top of my head.
 

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elizilla said:
I will need to get a car before the snow flies. I was going to buy a new car but I blew the money on a Super10 instead. O:) So I am looking at used cars. Subarus are on my list. However people keep telling me that Subaru head gaskets are like BMW final drives. I might buy one anyway, because I drive so little. But it is giving me pause.
I drive a 2005 impreza wagon, 70,000 miles, changed a front brake caliper and one o2 sensor, total less than $200. I think thats quite reasonable. in the snow, its amazingly well balanced, almost as much fun on dirt...just wish I had more power as its not a wrx
 

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My Cousin is on his second Outback. He owns a 200 acre farm in west central IA. That Outback will go through some serious mud! He loves them.

FWIW, those WRX's are pretty quick!
 

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elizilla said:
I will need to get a car before the snow flies. I was going to buy a new car but I blew the money on a Super10 instead. O:) So I am looking at used cars. Subarus are on my list. However people keep telling me that Subaru head gaskets are like BMW final drives. I might buy one anyway, because I drive so little. But it is giving me pause.
I've owned 5 Subarus. Never had a heads gasket go, nor did I know of any other owners that did....
 

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My sons Yamaha TTR-125L (bought new in the USA) was made in Brazil. No issues with it at all.
 

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elizilla said:
Subarus are on my list. However people keep telling me that Subaru head gaskets are like BMW final drives.
I knew one person who had a bad gasket, it leaked, but didn't snap in half and dump the car on it's arse, so comparing that to BMW final drives problems is a bit extreme.
 

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elizilla said:
I will need to get a car before the snow flies. I was going to buy a new car but I blew the money on a Super10 instead. O:) So I am looking at used cars. Subarus are on my list. However people keep telling me that Subaru head gaskets are like BMW final drives. I might buy one anyway, because I drive so little. But it is giving me pause.
Here's the deal on the headgaskets. The old DOHC 2.5, circa approx. 1996-99, did have common headgasket problems and was replaced by a SOHC 2.5 in 2000. The later SOHC 2.5 only seems to have any headgasket problems if people neglect regular coolant changes, just as most any other motor would. I drove my WRX, a fairly stressed high-performance turbocharged 2.0 liter motor, for 176,000 miles and never had a headgasket problem. Matter of fact, it still ran like new when I sold it. Most of the bad rap about headgaskets is based on that earlier DOHC 2.5. The people who are telling you they are like BMW final drives are probably still basing their 'opinion' on that older motor. The problem has largely been eliminated. Subaru headgaskets are no more problematic than any other headgasket these days. I love WRXs, even at my (somewhat) advanced age (47). Porsche-like performance for around 26 grand, and you can use most of the performance even with snow and ice on the roads. The Subaru AWD is rear-biased so you can practice your tail-out powerslides on snow if you feel like it. I've gotten to where I can drive entire city blocks sideways! (Professional driver on a closed-circuit course, please do not attempt). >:D

Long story short, if you're looking at a used Subaru, make sure it's a 2000 or later, and inquire about coolant changes, and any other maintenance history for that matter. Beware of any turbocharged Subarus owned by the immature crowd or that have been highly-modified (the two usually go hand-in hand) -- it's a good indicator the entire car, and not just the motor, have been beat to within an inch of its life. The non-turbo SOHC 2.5 is a good, tough motor and will last hundreds of thousands of miles if maintained. Take your time and find the right one. Good luck!
 

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Beware of any turbocharged Subarus owned by the immature crowd or that have been highly-modified (the two usually go hand-in hand) -- i
Is that because there is always an EVO hanging around somewhere? :D

Sorry, continue....
 

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Scoobynut said:
Here's the deal on the headgaskets. The old DOHC 2.5, circa approx. 1996-99, did have common headgasket problems and was replaced by a SOHC 2.5 in 2000. The later SOHC 2.5 only seems to have any headgasket problems if people neglect regular coolant changes, just as most any other motor would. I drove my WRX, a fairly stressed high-performance turbocharged 2.0 liter motor, for 176,000 miles and never had a headgasket problem. Matter of fact, it still ran like new when I sold it. Most of the bad rap about headgaskets is based on that earlier DOHC 2.5. The people who are telling you they are like BMW final drives are probably still basing their 'opinion' on that older motor. The problem has largely been eliminated. Subaru headgaskets are no more problematic than any other headgasket these days. I love WRXs, even at my (somewhat) advanced age (47). Porsche-like performance for around 26 grand, and you can use most of the performance even with snow and ice on the roads. The Subaru AWD is rear-biased so you can practice your tail-out powerslides on snow if you feel like it. I've gotten to where I can drive entire city blocks sideways! (Professional driver on a closed-circuit course, please do not attempt). >:D

Long story short, if you're looking at a used Subaru, make sure it's a 2000 or later, and inquire about coolant changes, and any other maintenance history for that matter. Beware of any turbocharged Subarus owned by the immature crowd or that have been highly-modified (the two usually go hand-in hand) -- it's a good indicator the entire car, and not just the motor, have been beat to within an inch of its life. The non-turbo SOHC 2.5 is a good, tough motor and will last hundreds of thousands of miles if maintained. Take your time and find the right one. Good luck!
Get the STI and you can tailor your brake bias as you like, Woo Hoo! Subarus are fine cars and in the auto industry, engineering does not stand still. Auto companies address maintenance and performance issues, because to ignore them is to lose sales.

The truth is, there are people who can screw up a steel ball, just as there are those who have problems with cars (bikes) simply because they are either too lazy or cheap to maintain them properly. They are also the ones who bitch most loudly about on forums and blame the machine rather than the incompetent idiot who owns them.
 

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My wife and I have 2 Subarus (02 Outback wagon, 108k miles; and 04 WRX sedan, 94k miles) and they've been very reliable.
 
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