Looking to switch from Weestrom to Super Tenere

[munsterlander]

What I will say is that the s10 I'm std form is no better than the wee for buffeting.

I agree with Geekay. I moved from 2007 Wee to 2014 S10. On my Wee I had solved the problem with the Givi larger screen on a madstad bracket tilted all the way back. I am also 6-2 with 34" inseam.
Problem with the 2014 is that to my knowledge there are limited options for wind at this time. I have a spoiler on order and going to try that. There is an OEM taller screen but I have not yet heard a ride report. I am trying the spoiler and if it does not solve it, I am hoping the options will increase or the OEM taller screen works.
Lots of other things great about the Tenere though, at least in my limited experience, but you have touched on the weak point for us tall guys. If I duck my head down a few inches it is quite calm down there.

 

[cworley5150]

I've owned two Wees and a Vee. Currently own two Teneres. All of them had buffeting issues to different degrees. Had to tweak all of them for either myself or my wife to get the perfect ride. Been successful at it five times so far. ADV bikes can be perfectly comfortable long distance touring bikes as long as you're willing to make the necessary tweaks. The formula for our was almost always the same.

2005 Wee - Touring Laminar Lip + Madstad
2006 Vee - Touring Laminar Lip + Madstad
2010 Wee - Strategically placed washers under the stock screen changing the angle
2012 S10 - MRA Vario screen + Wasp screen adjuster
2012 S10 - MRA Vario screen + Madstad screen adjuster

So 4 out of 5 times it did take an adjuster and a modified or different screen. But I have no tolerance for head buffeting and have been completely satisfied with the solution once finally adjusted. It takes some experimenting, but a clean air flow is out there for you on either the Strom or the Tenere.

Thanks for the tip on the Laminar Lip Dirt Dad. I hadn't considered mounting one on the Wee. I may try that. I have the stock screen, the older style Givi and a Cee Bailey tall screen. I've used them all with the Madstad bracket and the Givi seems to work the best for me. Maybe the Laminar lip and stock screen would be the best combination.

 

[cworley5150]

I sincerely appreciate the honest advice on the ST. I am not quite ready to make a change from the V Strom. Just starting some research on various bikes. I do know that I am tired of fighting the dirty air and buffeting on the Strom. I would really like to avoid dealing with that on my next bike. I have enjoyed the Strom and think you get a lot of bang for your buck with it, but I'm wanting to return to a dependable shaft drive bike that is buffet free, a little more power than the Wee, but with the same ergos and versatility. Of all the large ADV touring bikes, the ST seems to be the best choice for me. I must get a test ride on one. That's the only way I will know if the buffeting is better than the Wee or not.

Thanks again for the input.

Chris

 

[GlenT]

Thanks for the tip on the Laminar Lip Dirt Dad. I hadn't considered mounting one on the Wee. I may try that. I have the stock screen, the older style Givi and a Cee Bailey tall screen. I've used them all with the Madstad bracket and the Givi seems to work the best for me. Maybe the Laminar lip and stock screen would be the best combination.

I would look at the MRA Xcreen extension (that's what I use) rather than the Laminar Lip. The MRA extension adds about 5 inches of height as well as adjustability (it can also be adjusted shorter) so it may be more suitable for taller folks than the laminar lip, which is not adjustable and overlaps the windscreen.

 

[Dirt_Dad]

The Touring Laminar Lip without the Madstad was worse than stock. With the Madstad, everything was ideal for 48K miles of great Strom riding.

 

[creggur]

I Of all the large ADV touring bikes, the ST seems to be the best choice for me. I must get a test ride on one. That's the only way I will know if the buffeting is better than the Wee or not.

Thanks again for the input.

Chris

It is a great bike with very few, and very minor, issues to overcome. It's funny how ergonomics and variables like buffeting affect riders differently.

I had ZERO buffeting on my last bike (2007 VFR 800) but guys were always changing screens to cure it. Even guys who were very similar to me in height and build...but I never experienced one iota of it.

Same with the Tenere but the exact opposite. The buffeting was so bad for me stock I didn't know if I was going to be able to keep the bike. I mean it was bad...like Buddy Rich playing paradiddles on my forehead with a pair of Louisville Sluggers bad - especially on the highway. It was literally unbearable. But there were guys here of similar height and build that had zero issue.

I did a bunch of research and decided the lower screen/more wind-flow was my preference vs the larger screen/quiet pocket of air. Florida's climate demands it for me. I had first attempted the stock screen on a Madstad bracket - no good - but once I fitted the California Scientific Shorty screen and got the rake set right it's been pure bliss....

You're gonna have to ride it and see for yourself, but it would be a shame for buffeting (a condition that's completely curable) to keep you off an ST. it's simply a wonderful machine to experience...

Good luck!

 

[SAL]

Moved from a 2006 WeeStrom that I put around 84,000 miles on (give or take) on to a 2012 Super Tenere. I have put about 14,000 miles on it in the 2 months I have had it.

The "Strom's buffeting issues didn't bother me much at all. Once I put the Madstadt bracket on and the "Windstrom" removable spoiler. I have moved that spoiler from bike to bike to bike. Whenever I was going on a long trip. I used the stock screen. Madstadt and Windstrom Spoiler solved my problems.

My S10 was bought used. I thas a stock Screen, a Madstadt bracket and the 2 air deflectors that attach to each side underneath the Windscreen. No real problems with buffeting at all. For chuckles and grins I removed the 2 air deflectors and the difference was most measurable and not good. Put the 2 deflectors back on and problems buffeting issue is resolved. Less buffeting than either my (current) other bike ... a 2005 FJR or my Honda ST1300.

For whatever reason I can't explain my old ST1100 had less buffeting than anything I have owned since.

 

[lapi]

I've owned two Wees and a Vee. Currently own two Teneres. All of them had buffeting issues to different degrees. Had to tweak all of them for either myself or my wife to get the perfect ride. Been successful at it five times so far. ADV bikes can be perfectly comfortable long distance touring bikes as long as you're willing to make the necessary tweaks. The formula for our was almost always the same.

2005 Wee - Touring Laminar Lip + Madstad
2006 Vee - Touring Laminar Lip + Madstad
2010 Wee - Strategically placed washers under the stock screen changing the angle
2012 S10 - MRA Vario screen + Wasp screen adjuster
2012 S10 - MRA Vario screen + Madstad screen adjuster

So 4 out of 5 times it did take an adjuster and a modified or different screen. But I have no tolerance for head buffeting and have been completely satisfied with the solution once finally adjusted. It takes some experimenting, but a clean air flow is out there for you on either the Strom or the Tenere.

Did the madstad and laminar not work for the S10? I had the madstad and the laminar is less expensive in easier to ind in USA. Thanks

 

[RCinNC]

I must be one of the fortunate ones. I had a 2012 V-Strom and never had any issues with buffeting. I moved to a 2014 S10, and didn't even know buffeting was an issue with this bike until I read it on this forum. Prior to the V-Strom I rode a Harley Road King with a big old barn door of a windscreen, and I'd say that both the Suzuki and the Yamaha were no worse than that.

 

[trikepilot]

I see that you are a fellow WV inmate. I am in Fayetteville at the New River Gorge. Never had a Vee/Wee but was shopping for one when I stumbled upon the Tenere which is what I ended up with. i could not be any happier.

If you want to see a bunch of Teneres and ask questions of owners, you might want to look into the FODS event that Spklbuk from here at the Tenere forum is organizing in less than a month at Pipestem State Park - http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=11981.0

I would imagine that there would be plenty of opportunities to do a bunch of first-person research into the Tenere at this event that is basically in your backyard.

 

[Chump]

I went from a Vee to a Tenere. I still have buffeting issues but I haven't messed around with anything yet. While I think the tenere is a better bike I did like the Vee motor better.

 

[shrekonwheels]

You liked the lackluster blah wee motor better?

 

[Chump]

Vee motor 1000cc

 

[snakebitten]

I'm a hopeless Tenere addict.

But that "wee" motor in SV650 trim was anything but blah.
That bike was bought for the wife. But that was just an excuse for getting it in the garage.
Loved that bike. Got it jetted perfectly and the motor just was so sweeeeeeet.

Wish there was a real ADV powered by that plant. I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

 

[Harry Dresden PI]

I went from a 2012 DL650 to a 2014 S10 ES.
AT 6'3" 290 lbs the significant differences I found are ..

1. The Givi Airflow on the DL650 provides better wind protection than the Madstad Largest +1" for me
2. The DL650 with lowered rider pegs is less comfortable than the 2014 S10 stock
3. S10 seat is much better than the SL650
4. S10 motor power is more useful than DL650
5. DL650 motor is smoother than the S10
6. Dl650 is more effected by side winds and trucks on the interstate

Main reasons I sold my Dl650 for the 2014 S10 ES

1. Wanted real cruise control .. had a throttle lock on the DL650 and wanted more
2. Wanted more real world power the the S10 has compared with the DL650. (Twist and Go = S10 , Down shift and rev DL650)
3. After 30+ years lubing and adjusting chain drives ... wanted a Shaft Drive
4. Love the traction control and power modes

Overall for me a big guy .. the DL650 is a fun bike but strains fully loaded for interstate 500 mile days .. If I was smaller and did not need to move at 80 mph + for hours the DL650 might still be in my garage ,,, Now if the wind buffeting issue on the S10 is fixed many more s10 would be sold .. imho

 

[jettcity1]

I have the 2015 ES and I came off a 2012 Raven Black Tenere. The buffeting is improved on the new Teneres but you will not find a perfect scenario with either.
I'd suggest finding a "good enough" screen/defector combination and live with it.
I had a 2008 Concours that was a nearly perfect aerodynamic package and even than, you would have some buffeting.
It's the nature of the beast, common physics at work I'd say.
So many riders spend countless amounts of time and money chasing the ideal package, I just find something that works well and go ride it.
That's just my 2 cents worth.
Have fun and good luck.

 

[triman11427]

I went from a 2011 Wee to a 2012 S10 because I wanted more power and weight for long days in the saddle. I loved my Wee. I just picked up a 2014 DL1000. It's a great bike. 100 lbs lighter than the S10 and has all the power I need. I think the S10 is better for longer trips and off road. The Suzuki is my daily commuter and for day trips. The new model was well thought out and for the price I got it, it was a no brainer. I have a Givi airflow on both which does a great job for wind protection and buffeting.

 

[Rasher]

I went from a 2012 DL650 to a 2014 S10 ES.
AT 6'3" 290 lbs the significant differences I found are ..

1. The Givi Airflow on the DL650 provides better wind protection than the Madstad Largest +1" for me
2. The DL650 with lowered rider pegs is less comfortable than the 2014 S10 stock
3. S10 seat is much better than the SL650
4. S10 motor power is more useful than DL650
5. DL650 motor is smoother than the S10
6. Dl650 is more effected by side winds and trucks on the interstate

Main reasons I sold my Dl650 for the 2014 S10 ES

1. Wanted real cruise control .. had a throttle lock on the DL650 and wanted more
2. Wanted more real world power the the S10 has compared with the DL650. (Twist and Go = S10 , Down shift and rev DL650)
3. After 30+ years lubing and adjusting chain drives ... wanted a Shaft Drive
4. Love the traction control and power modes

Overall for me a big guy .. the DL650 is a fun bike but strains fully loaded for interstate 500 mile days .. If I was smaller and did not need to move at 80 mph + for hours the DL650 might still be in my garage ,,, Now if the wind buffeting issue on the S10 is fixed many more s10 would be sold .. imho

I have both, the V-Strom is used for commuting.

I like the little bikes character and soul, it is also surprisingly good at motorway cruising, and is extremely good on fuel, a great bike.

Find both have some buffeting, but not enough to bother me, got a Givi Ariflow on the S10 and the Yamaha winglets and it is a lot better than my standard strom in that regard.

To me they are very different bikes, but both are equally good as all rounders, I don't intend to sell either any time soon, just wish the Strom had a shaft drive.

 

[2112]

I went from a 2013 Wee to an S10 and have no regrets. The little Suzuki is a great bike and surprisingly capable in all conditions, but I missed the easy, effortless torque of a 1200. I had a Moto Guzzi Stelvio before the wee and I wanted something lighter and easier to manage (the Stelvio makes an S10 seem anorexic at 270kg). The S10 is just nicer to ride due to better quality suspension, oodles of grunt and it's all day comfy too. Throw in hassle free shaft drive and it's a winner !

 

[Random ride]

Nice "dig up" of a year old thread