KTM 1190

[macca]

Re: A Short Review: Super Tenere (2012) Vs. KTM 1190

After near on 5 years with my 1st Ed S10 I swapped to the full monte 1190R ??? . It makes the S10 feel like a shire horse with the 1190R being a flighty stallion >.
Steering I found the KTM to turn faster (on Conti TA2s) though my S10 was stock bar Anakee 3s which felt like very stable slow turning tyres and the difference in weight is very noticeable both riding and pushing it around. I think you have to be more "on" to ride the KTM where the Yam did allow for snooze mode (not literally) when the roads were straight. Not saying one is better than the other as they are both good at what they do (wouldn't have kept the S10 for that long if I hadn't liked it) .

 

[Donk]

Re: A Short Review: Super Tenere (2012) Vs. KTM 1190

After near on 5 years with my 1st Ed S10 I swapped to the full monte 1190R ??? . It makes the S10 feel like a shire horse with the 1190R being a flighty stallion >.
Steering I found the KTM to turn faster (on Conti TA2s) though my S10 was stock bar Anakee 3s which felt like very stable slow turning tyres and the difference in weight is very noticeable both riding and pushing it around. I think you have to be more "on" to ride the KTM where the Yam did allow for snooze mode (not literally) when the roads were straight. Not saying one is better than the other as they are both good at what they do (wouldn't have kept the S10 for that long if I hadn't liked it) .

I feel obligated to point out that Shire is a breed, stallion is a sex of horse. It is therefor possible to have a Shire stallion, Thoroughbred stallion, ect. Regardless I got your point about the bikes!

 

[macca]

Re: A Short Review: Super Tenere (2012) Vs. KTM 1190

I feel obligated to point out that Shire is a breed, stallion is a sex of horse. It is therefor possible to have a Shire stallion, Thoroughbred stallion, ect. Regardless I got your point about the bikes!

I get you point but found your pedantry rather tedious for a motorbike forum ::025::

 

[Donk]

Re: A Short Review: Super Tenere (2012) Vs. KTM 1190

I get you point but found your pedantry rather tedious for a motorbike forum ::025::

Give me a minute, I need to look up pedantry. I'm a blacksmith not a wordsmith.

 

[True Grip]

Re: A Short Review: Super Tenere (2012) Vs. KTM 1190

If it's a big enough limb I'll get out there with you. Useable power and delivery is way more important than peak power and the Tenere has never run out of steam for me and I've run it pretty hard. I do have a flash on my 12 model and it improved the delivery and made it SWEET!!! KTM knows one thing performance. It works very well for them on their dirt bikes but I'm not sure it translates well to an Adventure Tourer.

 

[SilverBullet]

Re: A Short Review: Super Tenere (2012) Vs. KTM 1190

... Look at the dyno sheets and all that wonderful power is up in the 6-7000RPM range. Stock Super Tenere has 10hp advantage over the KTM1190 at 4000 RPM. I ride more at 4000RPM than 7000, ...

The Tenere redlines at 7,800 rpm and the 1190 is 30% higher at 10,250 rpm so you really can't compare like that. If you had a 1190 you wouldn't want to ride it at 4,000 rpm just like you don't ride the Tenere at 3,000 rpm. I love my Tenere, shaft drive and the overall value but I don't think the bikes can be directly compared. But for the actual use of probably 50% or more of 1190 owners I believe the Tenere is the better choice.

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[shrekonwheels]

Re: A Short Review: Super Tenere (2012) Vs. KTM 1190

The Tenere redlines at 7,800 rpm and the 1190 is 30% higher at 10,250 rpm so you really can't compare like that. If you had a 1190 you wouldn't want to ride it at 4,000 rpm just like you don't ride the Tenere at 3,000 rpm. I love my Tenere, shaft drive and the overall value but I don't think the bikes can be directly compared. But for the actual use of probably 50% or more of 1190 owners I believe the Tenere is the better choice.

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His point is all your useable power is at your typical Tenere cruising speeds, that makes perfect sense.

 

[RED CAT]

Re: A Short Review: Super Tenere (2012) Vs. KTM 1190

My Tenere often cruises along at below 3000 rpm in 6th gear. No problem. Even accelerates from 3000 quite nicely. Its a torque monster. As previously stated. Its the King of Grunt!

 

[PowersUSA]

Re: A Short Review: Super Tenere (2012) Vs. KTM 1190

My Tenere often cruises along at below 3000 rpm in 6th gear. No problem. Even accelerates from 3000 quite nicely. Its a torque monster. As previously stated. Its the King of Grunt!

May I ask how much you weigh with gear? I'm personally around 260lbs with gear and my 2012 (with 2014 clutch basket) will cruise fine at 3,000 RPM in 4th, 5th and 6th. However, the bike shutters when attempting roll on the throttle from 3,000 in those gears (taller the gear, the greater the shutter, as to be expected). I'm hoping to catch the the Yamaha Demo truck next week to try out the 2015 ES (and the FJ-09, wish I had space for two bikes).

 

[JaimeV]

Re: A Short Review: Super Tenere (2012) Vs. KTM 1190

Good review.

My best friend has a 1190 so I can ride it a lot.
Stunning bike, really sporty compared with the Super T.
In off road is the best maxi trail by far (the R type), the electronics are superbe (special ABS and TC for off road).

In this video you can see my friend with it and from the minute 2,24 it was me riding it. I love this bike!

... but it is a KTM... :

 

[Donk]

Re: A Short Review: Super Tenere (2012) Vs. KTM 1190

I ride both sport bikes and my S10. You're right the low end grunt of the S10 is more useful fun than the midrange to top end of the sport bikes but it wouldn't hurt if the S10 had a bit more up top. Yamaha did it with the FZ/MT-07. Same engine design so they can do it with our beloved Super Tenere any time they want

 

[rotortech71]

Re: A Short Review: Super Tenere (2012) Vs. KTM 1190

I too just had the chance to ride a brand new 1190 R last week. A friend at work and I swapped bikes for a while on the commute home. Wow, what a nice machine! One thing that stood out right away, the KTM's clutch and gearbox was superb. The clutch lever pull was so easy, it felt weird at first, like it had lost it's clutch fluid. The gearbox was fantastic, and would click through the gears with so little travel and effort, it made my S10 feel like a tractor once I took it back.

The bike felt very nimble, of course, and seemed to fall into turns. Didn't feel quite as planted as the Tenere, but I was probably just trying to get used to the lighter weight, 21" front wheel, and TKC 80s.

I have the Tenere all sorted out as far as wind management, and handlebar position, so the KTM didn't feel as relaxed at highway speeds. Much more noise in the helmet, and slightly more cramped since the pegs felt higher.

My biggest surprise was in the engine. To be honest, it wasn't the neck snapping wheelie machine I was expecting. To be fair, I was riding it like I'm used to riding the S10, in the lower RPM range. My Tenere has the ECU flash, so I'm used to the S-mode punch that it has down low, something the KTM did not have. I took the KTM up to about 7500 RPM once, at a steady 3/4 throttle, and I could feel the power building. So really, I've just gotten used to the Tenere's parallel twin, and the torque it delivers down low. The KTM reminded me that if I wanted arm pulling power, I needed to ride it like the old V-Strom, where the V-twin engine liked to be wound up to the higher RPM range where it can shine.

An interesting note, my friend had never ridden my bike, or any Super Tenere for that matter. When we traded back, he had a beaming smile, and said, "Wow man, I gotta tell ya, that's a NICE bike. Had I test ridden one of those, I could have seen myself buying one of those just as easily."

 

[greg the pole]

Re: A Short Review: Super Tenere (2012) Vs. KTM 1190

I ride both sport bikes and my S10. You're right the low end grunt of the S10 is more useful fun than the midrange to top end of the sport bikes but it wouldn't hurt if the S10 had a bit more up top. Yamaha did it with the FZ/MT-07. Same engine design so they can do it with our beloved Super Tenere any time they want

I'm guessing gearing.
My other ride is a FZ07, and the thing is properly quick. The gearing is perfect on that bike, and even in 6th gear, it doesn't rev high.

 

[Rasher]

Re: A Short Review: Super Tenere (2012) Vs. KTM 1190

About to eat my earlier words and pick up a KTM tomorrow ::001:: or ::002::

 

[Zepfan]

Got a short test drive on a 1190

Was at my dealer to p/u some parts.

They had a KTM 1190 - 19" front demo. They let me take it for a spin.

Scary power above 4500 rpm. Your already going fast when (until) the power really kicks in.
Good way for me to get in serious trouble trying to find the limits of this bike. Maybe you get use to it but, WOW!

Low end to the 4000 range is lame. Can this bike chug up grade @ 2000 - 2500 in first like a S10?? Or will it stall out unless your up in the RPM's.

Be fun to take it on extended run on some dirt...... I guess. lol

 

[Rasher]

Re: Got a short test drive on a 1190

Scary power above 4500 rpm. Your already going fast when (until) the power really kicks in.

Good way for me to get in serious trouble trying to find the limits of this bike. Maybe you get use to it but, WOW!.

Very nice throttle response so easy to manage, also cruises nicely in the 60 - 90 mph range, and you still know when your going way too quick unlike a sportsbike where three figure speeds can feel like a gentle cruise.

Low end to the 4000 range is lame. Can this bike chug up grade @ 2000 - 2500 in first like a S10?? Or will it stall out unless your up in the RPM's.

Suffers from emissions a bit worse than the Yamaha, been told O2 eliminators help a lot, plus the bike is much higher revving and therefor lower geared so where you would be lugging at 2500 on the S10 the KTM would be sat nearer 3500 and have a good amount of grunt - not forgetting it is about 60kg (140lb) lighter than the S10 so needs a fair bit less power to move it.

This slight lack of grunt just off idle is more noticeable two-up, solo I don't really notice it as the bike spins past the problem area in an instant, with a passenger it takes a bit more clutch slipping...

...but that is compared to my perfectly fuelled dyno-setup S10. Comparing a bike with perfect custom fuelling to one playing by the laws of the land may not be entirely fair, I think the Gen1 S10 with restrictions and off-idle stumble is probably worse than the KTM is out of the crate at low rpms in low gears, a flashed S10 / Gen 2 is probably a bit better - but once past about 3,000rpm the KTM is at ;east matching the S10 and after about 4,000rpm it is light years ahead.

Even running in at 6500 rpm the TC light goes mad if you wind it on hard from anything over 3,000rpm in 2nd, I think shifting at 6500 on this thing it is probably quicker than a stock S10 is being caned to the redline, on the demo bike the front wheel barely touched the ground until over 100mph when I ran it along my private airfield (in sport mode, in street the TC keeps everything really level and smooth)

Also got the Off-Road mode which limits the power to 100BHP and turns down the TC a fair bit (can also turn it off) and disables rear brake ABS (can also turn of ABS entirely)

 

[greg the pole]

it's odd.

I've had a ride on both a adventure, and adventure R.
The R seemed less boggy down low than the non R.
I liked the R much much better.

As much as I'd love to have the $20 grand (CDN) Adventure R, I can keep my brand new FJ, and well run in ST for the price of the R.
that said, i'm getting excited about the baby tenere

 

[Jer2675]

I've owned both and would say the reliability of the Super Tenere far outshines anything the 1190 has to offer.

Plus the 1190 put off so much heat it was uncomfortable to ride unless it was cold outside.


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[Rasher]

I've owned both and would say the reliability of the Super Tenere far outshines anything the 1190 has to offer.

Plus the 1190 put off so much heat it was uncomfortable to ride unless it was cold outside.

What you describe as "Cold" is probably a scorching summers day to me ::008::

Nobody buys any European bike for reliability

 

[Dogdaze]

What you describe as "Cold" is probably a scorching summers day to me ::008::

Nobody buys any European bike for reliability

Reliability is waaaay over-rated ::025::