Kruzzin5
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Agree with the TFT display. The Gen 2 display is awful and not as readable as Gen 1 with orange back light.
It's time for an update Yamaha.
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When this "is it, or isn't it" kicked off, I did the same thing. And, got the Hilti. Put motorcycle after 1800, and voila'.
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I for one am not in the market for a new bike no matter what updating they may do. I like my bike just the way it is. Every time I ride it, I just can't believe a bike could be this nice to ride.
I have ridden big KTMs BMWs Explorers, and Vstroms and they have nothing over my bike. I for one demand reliability, when I'm way back in no man's land alone I don't want to even think about any
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I read all these [make it a triple] junk, If you want to see just how poor a triple is for off pavement as an Adventure bike , take a Triumph off road riding. I have and they don't work.
I like the current Tenere so well because it is a true Adventure bike and not a Poser, It's the real deal that I need it to be.
TFT this and TOUGH that, I think riders would have more fun and better real Adventures if they throw them GPSs and Smart Phones in the garbage.
I agree the ABS needs an easy off and the Traction Control needs to stay off if you want it to.
Instead of complaining about the Super Tenere, why don't you try riding it the way it was intended to be ridden. That means, from here to who knows where and then so far back in some canyon that the sun doesn't shine on a trail that hasn't seen tracks for who knows how long. You may just realize how awesome these bikes really are.
Steve
I have ridden big KTMs BMWs Explorers, and Vstroms and they have nothing over my bike. I for one demand reliability, when I'm way back in no man's land alone I don't want to even think about any
"what ifs"
I read all these [make it a triple] junk, If you want to see just how poor a triple is for off pavement as an Adventure bike , take a Triumph off road riding. I have and they don't work.
I like the current Tenere so well because it is a true Adventure bike and not a Poser, It's the real deal that I need it to be.
TFT this and TOUGH that, I think riders would have more fun and better real Adventures if they throw them GPSs and Smart Phones in the garbage.
I agree the ABS needs an easy off and the Traction Control needs to stay off if you want it to.
Instead of complaining about the Super Tenere, why don't you try riding it the way it was intended to be ridden. That means, from here to who knows where and then so far back in some canyon that the sun doesn't shine on a trail that hasn't seen tracks for who knows how long. You may just realize how awesome these bikes really are.
Steve
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It is indeed. I'm simply suggesting that we focus on realistic changes/upgrades that can't be easily added by the aftermarket. And I'm very serious about giving enough info with your suggestion to bring to light why you want what you're asking for. Saying you want a gear indicator sensor is one thing. Saying you want to be able to see what gear you're in when stopped is another. I would suspect, for example, a software change could make the gear indicator continue to read the last gear selected, while the clutch is in. That's not a 100% solution, but it's cheap and easy and solves 90% of the complaint w/o re-designing the engine case.
The more power request just gets old. As you can tell from my earlier response. One not too eloquent member asked for "More Go", but couldn't, when asked, really elaborate on what he wanted. Quicker acceleration? Higher top speed? More bottom end torque? He couldn't identify what he really wanted. That's not all that helpful. What he stated he wanted was to be able to keep up with his 1250GS buddies on strait line acceleration. Being the ass I am, I suggested he buy an FJR.
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When Honda first released the new Goldwing, it was branded as the ST1800, not the GL1800. I see now that they have eliminated all mention of a model designation and simply call it Goldwing. In the EU they returned to using the GL1800 designation. LINK Scroll down and you'll see what I'm talking about with the ST1800 designation. If you google Honda ST1800 you will find lots of hits for the Goldwing.
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ballisticexchris
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Well said Steve, It's one of the reasons I purchased the Super Tenere in the first place. My Beta is another one that impresses me. I require reliability when off the beaten path.
sky4
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within 2 weeks of getting my tenere i did a 3500 mile west coast loop. i did replace a fork seal... which can happen to any bike, and that was straightforward as any bike.
overall it was smooth and powerful and reliable. even did some forest roads on it which got somewhat gnarly. all with 100 lbs of gear on the back. thing is an anvil. should mention it had 72000 miles on it already when i left for that trip. bought it from a buddy of mine who rides big miles too.
sky4
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I'd love to learn more about betas... they seem very well engineered. a buddy of mine has one and loves it.
WJBertrand
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I don’t think Honda ever officially referred to the bike as an ST1800. I think that moniker dubbed by old school Gold Wing owners that did not accept it as a true Gold Wing, and simultaneously by ST1100/1300 owners who embraced it.
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I'm not sharing an opinion on this, it's what Honda did. I remember quite clearly because when the first Honda ST1800s came out, I thought someone mis-typed, so went to the Honda Powersports USA site to check, and sure enough, Honda had it listed clearly as a ST1800, not a GL1800. It would appear there was enough push back that Honda changed it.
The fact that others don't remember it or were not involved with this segment at the time does not change what Honda did back then. It also does not change the fact that the current "Goldwing" is a far cry from the pre-18 Goldwings. For some that's good, for others, not so much. But it's one example of what happens when end users keep asking for less weight. You don't always get quite what you wanted, in part, because the request was not specific enough.
In response to the comment someone made that the suspension of the current Goldwing is too soft to be a ST bike,
Even my 140 lb wife upgraded the suspension on both of her GL1800s, ('05 & '07), right off the bat. Good suspension transforms the GL1800. It's still a barge, but a barge that handles well. I have no doubt that the current goldwing would benefit in the same way.More on topic, TFT displays don't excite me that much. I was quite pleased with the '12 Super Ten display and the '15 Super Ten display. I did add anti-glare film to both, which improved the direct sunlight legibility a lot. My current Honda has a LCD display that is vividly clear in direct sunlight and very legible in all other light.
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I’m thinking about a new (or different bike). I’d like something smaller, lighter with dirt road capabilities. But when I ride the ST, I catch myself thinking how nice the shaft drive is, how the weight makes crosswinds and truck turbulence no issue, how the cadence of the motor (which some call boring) is a relaxing calm even when I’m hustling it, how much I still like the handling and find it fun (even though other rides are much more sporty), how it has just enough gadgets (cc,heated grips) to keep me happy.
Sometimes I want another bike, but I know I don’t need another bike, if that makes any sense.
Sometimes I want another bike, but I know I don’t need another bike, if that makes any sense.
Boris
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I don’t ride off road, therefore I don’t think the make it a triple stuff is junk. The big triple engines are superb on the road. But that doesn’t imply the Super Tenere isn’t also a good engine, just that we have different needs as riders. Not suiting one style of riding doesn’t make it junk.
As for complaining......I didn’t actually see anyone complaining, only pointing out areas each thought improvements could be made. Suggesting something can be improved, especially 10 years after release date, isn’t suggesting the current version is bad.
intended to be ridden? Surely that’s exactly how each of us ride, not how someone else thinks we should.
Bokerfork
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Buying an adventure bike and only riding it on the pavement, then complaining that it doesn't meet your pavement needs is like buying a Jeep for pavement only use and complaining about the "ride". I see so many adventure bikes, and Jeeps, which are from several states away and are as clean as they were when they left the house. Is that a bad thing? No. I just find it funny how many people purchase "image" over function. If you're going to buy an adventure bike and only ride it on the pavement, don't whine about "improvements" that would make it more street worthy. The same goes for trying to take the Tenere down a rocky single track and then complaining that it's too heavy,incorrectly sprung, geared too high, etc.. Everything is a compromise. My FJR was absolutely terrible at fire roads but I didn't ask for improvements to make it more off road worthy.
I agree, the Tenere could use a few tweaks. My biggest wish mirrors what a few others have requested; options like ABS and TCS should stay in the mode you last placed them in. Pretty much everything else does what I need and or expect for an adventure bike.
Ride it any way you want, but don't try to make it something it isn't. An adventure bike needs to get off pavement otherwise it's simply a touring bike.
I agree, the Tenere could use a few tweaks. My biggest wish mirrors what a few others have requested; options like ABS and TCS should stay in the mode you last placed them in. Pretty much everything else does what I need and or expect for an adventure bike.
Ride it any way you want, but don't try to make it something it isn't. An adventure bike needs to get off pavement otherwise it's simply a touring bike.
Boris
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No one is complaining, nor saying it doesn’t meet their needs (you made that up), but just suggesting improvements could be made. Adventure bikes mean different things to different people, Yours/mine/hers view of an adventure may differ, but none are wrong, just nice to appreciate different wants and needs, rather than insult or dismiss others opinions. Image over function? No, me personally, I enjoy touring across large parts of Europe and my physical size and age means an adventure style bike works fine for me. As for don’t whine, again, no one is whining or complaining, adventure bikes are dual purpose bikes, the road part is as valid as the off road part.
Perhaps also consider, in the UK, access to off-road and green lane riding is very restricted and not particularly accessible. There’s is more availability in Wales, but still not on a significant scale. I have no idea how accessible off-road riding is in the States, but from what I see on here and on YouTube videos, it’s pretty much available almost anywhere.
FJR is a dramatic and desperate comparison, it’s a road bike. The Super Tenere isn’t an off road bike.
Ride it anyway you want, as long as it’s how I think it should be ridden.
Perhaps also consider, in the UK, access to off-road and green lane riding is very restricted and not particularly accessible. There’s is more availability in Wales, but still not on a significant scale. I have no idea how accessible off-road riding is in the States, but from what I see on here and on YouTube videos, it’s pretty much available almost anywhere.
FJR is a dramatic and desperate comparison, it’s a road bike. The Super Tenere isn’t an off road bike.
Ride it anyway you want, as long as it’s how I think it should be ridden.
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The Beta is nothing short of amazing. There are not many bikes that come close to it's versatility. The only limiting factor is your comfort level. I have done more on that bike than anything including my Super Tenere. It's only weak point are the plastic oil pump gears (which I swapped to steel ones), and the clutch when piled down with luggage and going though slow technical terrain.
It can be stripped down to do the hardest core of singe track, configured for Iron Butt, hit the sand dunes, or load it down for multi day touring. The only 2 advantages the Super Tenere has over my Beta is comfort and the ability to load it down with more crap. There is no other big adventure bike made that can do what a small dual sport bike can. A small dual sport however can do everything a big bike can except the comfort factor.
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Boris
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That 1st pic above the cloud line is a cracker.
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ballisticexchris
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Thank you! I was riding alone that day so I chickened out going up it (took a gravel road). I went down it through the clouds instead and let gravity do it's job.
gunslinger_006
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What is the actual difference on the LE ST1300? That is so interesting.
sky4
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very cool. I got a buddy who has one, and he considers it far superior to KTM. What displacement do you suggest? I'm 200 lbs, 5'10, not a great dirt rider, and likely will keep my super T for the big road days. Gotta have that 1200 for chasing sport bikes in the canyons.
I'd likely set the Beta up for dirt and trailer it to trails.
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If you are trailering it to the trails I would recommend the 300 2T.