important news on forks

[Snowedin]

The American ECUs run leaner than the 2010 First Editions that I was able to ride in Europe.


The top case mounting developed cracks in the very first run of bikes. DCStrom said it was found by the South African owners, but I also heard about it from an Irishman and found this quote regarding a letter to 800 French owners:


Yamaha is recalling its 2010 Super Teneres to replace the top case support. Bikes with serial number DP012 000301 to DP012 001101 are affected.


I have no idea how many actually had problems or specifically where. Again, this was a long time before the release of the 2012 bikes (North America) and Yamaha appears to have addressed it.

Ah, OK, so that'll be emissions regulations for the ECU I suppose in NA then?

The top case mounting issue was nothing to do with the subframe. You are correct in your reply, it was the plastic top box/luggage rack mounting plate - I had mine changed - it just has a reinforced metal stiffener bar running along it now.

 

[Tremor38]

Re: Re: important news on forks

Ah, OK, so that'll be emissions regulations for the ECU I suppose in NA then?

The top case mounting issue was nothing to do with the subframe. You are correct in your reply, it was the plastic top box/luggage rack mounting plate - I had mine changed - it just has a reinforced metal stiffener bar running along it now.

Yeah, I've heard rumblings of the 'subframes' being different more than once.

Could very well be that people are confusing that with the earlier rear rack problems.

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[twinrider]

There were a number of things redesigned from the 2010 First Edition. The ECU is different and so is the rear sub-frame, for example.

You've said this before about the rear subframe but my research turned up nothing other than the recall for the rear rack. How about posting up a link showing where you got this info?

Yeah, I've heard rumblings of the 'subframes' being different more than once.

Could very well be that people are confusing that with the earlier rear rack problems.

That's what I'm thinking.

 

[Snowedin]

In response to Spasms initial mail, I've just checked with my supplying dealer, who immediately contacted Yamaha about it.

According to my dealer, Yamaha have not had any problems with fork legs on the XT1200 range and he feels that if there were any official problem, both customers and dealers would be contacted by Yamaha UK.

Additionally, as a dealer, he's not had any leaky fork seals on any of the XT12's he's sold.

I'll be interested to see what eventually happens here......

 

[TacoPapa]

My S10 is a N.A. 2012 with 7000 mostly road miles on the odo. I noticed a minor leaking seal at the right fork leg at about 4000 miles; the left is still ok. Of course I ignored it until now it's out of warranty, & Yamaha said "no dice" on a warranty fix. Anybody else seen fork leaks early on?

 

[snakebitten]

Heard of a few fork seal leaks. One was from a fella that road a road very similar to your profile pic.

But most reports were resolved by cleaning out the foreign matter that got past the dust lip on the deal.
Using a "seal saver" or some other clever technique.

 

[TacoPapa]

Snakebitten:
Heard of a few fork seal leaks. One was from a fella that road a road very similar to your profile pic.
But most reports were resolved by cleaning out the foreign matter that got past the dust lip on the deal.
Using a "seal saver" or some other clever technique.
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The profile pic you're referring to was me on the Dempster Hwy to Inuvik, NT, Canada, on DL1000 -- just updated the pic to my S10, the bike I wished I'd been riding! Anyway, I tried using a "seal saver" or whatever it's called, with no suck cess. The leak's not bad enough to "warrant" an expensive fix, but it's a little irritating & makes me wonder what to expect as more time goes by.

 

[3putt]

I made the trip to Alaska and back, no problems with fork leaking, but I used the rubber fork protectors.

Sometimes I think the internet is just a bunch of . . . . .

 

[Dallara]

Sometimes I think the internet is just a bunch of . . . . .

Ain't it the truth...

Dallara


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[snakebitten]

I heard it has to be true if......

 

[Checkswrecks]

You've said this before about the rear subframe but my research turned up nothing other than the recall for the rear rack. How about posting up a link showing where you got this info?

First off, the subframes are indeed the same p/n for both the 2010 and US 2012: 23P-2119-00000
It was indeed the plastic carrier between the subframe and top box. Rather than link posts in French, here's an ADV link: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=640904
My bad for a carry-over thought from owning two FJRs, where we referred to the problem similarly, but it was actually the subframe itself cracking:
http://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php/topic/19707-cracked-subframe/?hl=%2Bsubframe+%2Bcrack#entry227460


The ECU for the 2010 First Edition does carry a different dash on the part number than the US version. Probably represents a difference in programming and the two sure ride different, as the First Edition bikes didn't have the lean stumble that our US bikes got.


Also out of curiosity I looked up the mufflers to see if the rest of the world got US EPA compliant mufflers and they did NOT. What was interesting about the exhaust was that at least the US muffler does not appear to have been welded shut, the way it is on most bikes.
http://www.yamahapartshouse.com/oemparts/a/yam/5004d83ff87002275461de6e/exhaust

Some folks have posted mods they've done to make it throatier and you can see why in the above link, while on the 2010 & 2012 UK bikes, the baffles come as part of the can.




Back to the original topic of forks . . .
The same 23P-23103-0000 fork is in both the 2010 UK bike (Spasms) as the 2012 US bikes.
2010 UK fiche: http://www.yamahamotorcyclespares.co.uk/spares/epc2.asp?ModelID=13229&pageID=25&m=YAMAHA+XT1200Z+SUPER+TENERE+FRONT+FORK&uid=0

 

[XT Jeff]

I have a UK first edition model and had the stumble at low revs. It was really easy to stall the bike when pulling away unless you made sure to give it more revs than you'd usually use on other bikes...... The clutch switch mod seems to have improved this and the stumble is now nowhere near as noticable.
I also had the rear plastic carrier rack modification done on a recall.

 

[XT Jeff]

Concerning this supposedly faulty fork legs issue...... I really don't understand this at all.
Everything this dealer is saying doesn't make any sense. If there really was a defect then why would they only change ONE fork leg ?? Also how can 2010 and 2011 models have faulty fork legs but not later models ? The forks have not changed on later models.
Like Snowedin, who reported in an earlier post, I have also asked my local Yamaha dealer about this supposed issue. They don't know anything about it either, neither have they changed any forks on any Super Tens they have sold in the last three years.

 

[spasm]

ok i called my dealer today to ask of any updates regarding the forks, he said yamaha were still sending one fork leg, so i asked for their number so i could speak to them about it.
so i call and ask them why they are only replacing one fork leg if they are faulty, the answer was this.

yamaha from time to time like to do research on faulty/ failed parts to see if theres any underlying issuse. in my case they wanted to replace the fork leg and have the old one sent back for analysis to see if its faulty. i told them i would rather have the old fork leg serviced and a new seal, as i was not happy to have one new and one old, as apart from the fact the springs may have different strengths and it may affect the handling, also the gold colours on the legs may be slightly different as the older one has been on the road 2 years.
so after a lot of talking to yamaha uk and my dealer, i told them i just wanted my forks serviced and new seals fitted on both. they agreed to do it. so its going in next week.
i just saved yamaha about £700 but im glad to keep my forks the same pair. what a load of old shit ehhh.
so to conclude it seems that there is no faulty forks out there, just someone made it sound like that when he explained it to me.

 

[3putt]

Good info, thanks spasm.

 

[snakebitten]

You know, after all the dust settled, I am impressed with Yamaha on this. While I also respect your decision to just replace your seal and get the result that you are most comfortable with, it sounds like Yamaha is willing to spend money, time, and resources on bettering their future product. They were NOT pressured to do this. It was voluntary. Amazing really, if you think about it.

But I still think the reckless loose lipped fella that indicated this is a well know problem should be thumped on the head. He is obviously guilty of creating facts out of thin air.

Nice turnout though. Happy if you are happy.

 

[Snowedin]

Nice one Spasm, sounds like a good result.

 

[spasm]

yup cant wait to get it sorted im missing her ::001:: ::26:: ::022::

 

[Checkswrecks]

Ahhh, the missing part of the story.
Factory research.


Glad to hear that they are doing research and glad for you to get a free fork rebuild.
btw - This is also an opportunity to throw in a new set of springs!

 

[eejitt]

Re: important news on forks - Just had my replaced under warranty!

Hi Lads

I just collected my bike off my dealer today having had both front forks replaced under warranty. Last week I rode up from Cork to Belfast (450kms), stopped in Dublin for lunch then, it was basically straight ahead for 150kms until the round-about at Hillsborough however to my shock, I did not slow down much and nearly hit a truck side on but, I awakened real quick stood on the rear brake and got around the round-about I don't know how. Anyhow, as it was just below freezing I thought it may have been black ice but realised I did not skid. Not until I was able to pull on to the 'hard shoulder' did I notice the RHS fork had leaked oil all over the caliper thus virtually no front brakes.

Two things come to mind on this: first of all this seems to be an inherent design flaw with regard to most USD forks to leak oil upon the brakes as as they tend have the seals directly above the brakes. Maybe, the front mudguard should be moulded to avoid this potential 'death hazard'? Secondly, seals will eventually fail but, I'm happy with the action of my dealer (Hurst Yamaha, Belfast) in having both forks replaced rather than one as noted in other posts.

I can only conclude that maybe there has been a dodgy batch of forks from the supplier and Yamaha are taking no chances and replaced both forks?

Oh, I actually had the L/H/S handlebar switch assembly replaced too as the horn failed work as I thought it was the horn but in actual fact it was the switch assembly.

So, there you go lads - somethings going on but as I say my dealer and Yamaha sorted it out for me quick enough. It just involved a return 900km trip to go back and collect the bike. I had to get a return train so I'm going to present Yamaha with this cost as it put me out of pocket.

Regards to all

Dave aka eejit