Hot weather gear

Ramseybella

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kmac said:
I need to figure something out soon...its only early may and we have had 107* so NOT looking forward to july and august.... :-[
Mesh jacket T-shirt and a gallon jug of water.
I went through Utah the end of July two years ago on my way to Yellowstone and I was about to explode in Moab was 110 or something like that. I remember a guy telling me to pour water all over yourself and ride Damned if it didn't work like a swamp cooler had to re drench within 30 to 40 minutes as it evaporated..
The Mesh jacket holds the water in the Cotton shirt does not evaporate as quickly as polyester..
 

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Ramseybella said:
Mesh jacket T-shirt and a gallon jug of water.
I went through Utah the end of July two years ago on my way to Yellowstone and I was about to explode in Moab was 110 or something like that. I remember a guy telling me to pour water all over yourself and ride Damned if it didn't work like a swamp cooler had to re drench within 30 to 40 minutes as it evaporated..
The Mesh jacket holds the water in the Cotton shirt does not evaporate as quickly as polyester..
I prefer polyester to cotton, quicker evaporation means more cooling. I also load the pockets of my jacket with ice at each gas stop, ice melts, I get wet, water evaporates, cooling effect. If you wear cargo style pants the cargo pockets will hold a lot of ice. I've also done the same with riding gloves. Wrap some ice in a bandana and tie it around your neck. Place helmet in refrigerator or ice cream freezer at the gas stop when I take a break.

These techniques work much better in a climate with low humidity because of more rapid evaporation. They don't work so well here in hot humid Florida.

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I live in southern Arizona and know exactly what you're talking about. I wear an all mesh jacket with CE protection, a full face helmet and gloves no matter how hot it gets. I've tried many different things, but honestly, what works best is just wearing a non-cotton t-shirt under my jacket and stop and pour water on it all whenever it gets too hot. Tucson gets hot... Phoenix gets stupid hot... Some days it's just better to take the car lol.
 

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Just acquired a "HyperKewl" wet evap cooling vest. Worked great thru Palm Springs, Phoenix, etc last weekend enroute to the Overland Expo. Wear any mesh jacket over it & be prepared to be comfortable. Basic model $50. I got the Deluxe vers for $60 which adds a collar. One wetting lasts a good 2 hrs. More controlled evaporation rate than pouring water over your clothes.

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Thanks for input,
Loke,
I spent 3 months in Tuscan from late April to early July back in '02 working on Casino Del Sol...and yes, Tuscan gets hot but Phoenix is ridiculous. I do not own a car, just taking the car is not an option.

Just seems lame that we can send people to the Moon with those incredible hot reentry temps and extreme temp swings but we can not get some light weight simple system that keeps you cool without dripping water and feeling soggy and needing replenishing ever 2 hours....it is 2014 right? Weren't we supposed to be in flying cars by now and living on mars?
 

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The tech is there, just that the moto market has a unique disadvantage of incorporating it along with other fabrics (cordura, kevlar, etc...) to actually protect you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe8h8l_c1QU#ws

Rukka incorporates it, but markets it as an insulation zip in liner. My deer parks gloves have it, but again the deer skin leather prohibits effective ventilation, so again marketed more as a warming insulation liner than a cooling liner.
 

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Might as well throw in my two cents since I enjoy this topic. Living in Las Vegas and riding daily, year-round, including multiple trips through Death Valley in all seasons means that hot weather riding is routine business for me.

There is one huge fallacy about hot weather riding - that is the idea that you need to keep cool. You only need to keep warm. After all, your body wants to be about 98 degrees (F). Being warm requires very little energy, is not stressful, and can be tolerated indefinitely.

Being warm still means being cooler than the hot condition you're in, but nowhere near the differential between hot and cool. The differential between hot and warm is much easier to achieve and maintain over a long period of time. Cruising on a motorcycle is a low energy activity, so you shouldn't be working up a sweat even in warm temps.

For me, it's counter-productive to put myself through heating and cooling cycles from extremes between being iced and wind burned. It's much less stressful for me to maintain a constant, albeit warm temp than to fluctuate.

Let's talk about wind burn. I pity the poor fools I see riding in shorts and t-shirts on really hot days. They're unprotected from ultraviolet, hot air, and ambient heat from the engine and road surface. Do this experiment. Take a hair dryer on high, hold it in your right hand and aim at your left arm (lefties can reverse) and see how long it takes to get uncomfortable. Please don't hurt yourself. Then don a mesh jacket and try it again. You might get an extra minute. Then try it with your full protection jacket, cordura, leather, whatever you wear when you want maximum protection. I guarantee that you can stand the hair dryer treatment a lot longer when well covered.

We all know about wind chill, but it's less common to talk about the opposite effect - wind burn. At about 100 degrees F and above, the wind burn effect kicks in, making the exposure to hot air worse the faster you go. Hot air speed up is hotter than still air of the same original temperature. This is why I won't use mesh jackets in hot weather, above 95. Mesh doesn't provide enough protection from wind burn.

So after all that introduction and diatribe, what do I do in hot weather? I wear a light weight, full length, wicking base layer (I've found the Bilt Heat-Out gear from CycleGear to be cheap, effective, and surprisingly durable), cooling vest (the water-soaked type), and full textile riding suit (cordura jacket & pants). For longer trips (over one hour), I bring a dry bag with water for quick recharging. Most importantly, I close all the jacket vents, except for maybe a rear vent. I know that sounds counter-intuitive, but it does two important things. 1. Closed vents slow the rate of evaporation allowing the effect of the cooling vest to last longer. 2. It stabilizes the temperature. Yes it's warm, but being warm is comfortable and still better than being hot.

Finally, even though to some extent we're talking about wearing water, do not overlook the need to drink a lot of water! If you're out in the heat for a long time, the occasional electrolyte replacement (Gatorade) is a good idea too.

To recap, the morale of this story is - hot weather riding is all about staying warm, not cool.

Warmest regards,
Boondocker.
 

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Nice summation, Boondocker.
It makes practical sense.

Or, should I say, that's cool :D
 

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Boondocker said:
We all know about wind chill, but it's less common to talk about the opposite effect - wind burn. At about 100 degrees F and above, the wind burn effect kicks in, making the exposure to hot air worse the faster you go. Hot air speed up is hotter than still air of the same original temperature. This is why I won't use mesh jackets in hot weather, above 95. Mesh doesn't provide enough protection from wind burn.

So after all that introduction and diatribe, what do I do in hot weather? I wear a light weight, full length, wicking base layer (I've found the Bilt Heat-Out gear from CycleGear to be cheap, effective, and surprisingly durable), cooling vest (the water-soaked type), and full textile riding suit (cordura jacket & pants). For longer trips (over one hour), I bring a dry bag with water for quick recharging. Most importantly, I close all the jacket vents, except for maybe a rear vent. I know that sounds counter-intuitive, but it does two important things. 1. Closed vents slow the rate of evaporation allowing the effect of the cooling vest to last longer. 2. It stabilizes the temperature. Yes it's warm, but being warm is comfortable and still better than being hot.

Finally, even though to some extent we're talking about wearing water, do not overlook the need to drink a lot of water! If you're out in the heat for a long time, the occasional electrolyte replacement (Gatorade) is a good idea too.
I agree with the basic premise about wind burn, but don't feel one has to avoid mesh to deal with it. Instead I wear a full length cooling undergarments. These will reduce the speed of the wind on your skin but still flow enough air to be effective.

I do strongly agree with the hydration part too. Cooling only works when you have sweat to evaporate. For longer trips I'll even wear a water pack. You can thread the nozzle under the helmet and drink while moving if necessary, but usually I'll pull over to do that.

In my experience, a cooling shirt with a mesh jacket is actually too cold below 80 on the highway.
 
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