because quite a few still do live under the rock without realizing that almost every aspect of this system is controlled charade, money, wars, weather, media, religion and so on. And even when exposed, participants must act as if nothing happened.Dogdaze said:Oh yes!! Finally, and DCT to boot!
I love it, "Honda Leaked Specs", no they didn't! It was controlled from the very beginning, why do jornos think the general public are living under a rock?
I do believe, as someone pointed out, that the 92-93hp was a strategic move by Honda to allow for it to be restricted for new or learner riders and fall within the scope of the law and capture sales from that category, I'm sure they are being conservative with their claims. If you think about it, 998cc and only 93hp? Nah, something's not kosher. As for the weight, well a heavy 1000 lump is going to weigh a fair bit and then the frame to carry that said lump. The DCT appeals to me, the chain........not so much.greg the pole said:so 460lb dry. 500lb fuelled? 93 hp (nothing to write home about)
it will probably not be the game changer that honda hopes it to be.
Still roughly 80lb lighter than the yammie.
Would be good to see it in person. either way I reserve judgment till then
"The new Honda CRF1000L Africa Twin is powered by a 94 hp 998cc parallel twin engine and weighs 503 lbs 'wet' in the non-ABS/DCT version."Bushyar15 said:Here's the "Confirmed" info on it….
http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-specs/
Doesn't say if the weight is wet or dry.
Right under the first picture of the article YOU linked, it says 503 "wet" and I don't think that meant going through that water crossingBushyar15 said:Here's the "Confirmed" info on it….
http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-specs/
Doesn't say if the weight is wet or dry.
I think all along the game changer has been DCT, not weight or anything else.greg the pole said:so 460lb dry. 500lb fuelled? 93 hp (nothing to write home about)
it will probably not be the game changer that honda hopes it to be.
Still roughly 80lb lighter than the yammie.
Would be good to see it in person. either way I reserve judgment till then
::026::Spaggy said:18.8 liter fuel tank and chain drive. So far I'm liking my Tenere.
I think the fuel economy will be much better on the AT than the S10, so the capacity would be a moot point, the chain, although much better these days, I'm with you on that.Spaggy said:18.8 liter fuel tank and chain drive. So far I'm liking my Tenere.
I think, and I may be wrong on this, but it allows much more varied type of tyre, really motox type stuff, serious offroading and allow for bent rims etc when out in the wilderness to be 'tubed' and keep going. This is pure speculation on my part.................. I'm bored, what can I say?BravoBravo said:::026::
Also, it has tube tires. I think the last time I owned a motorcycle with tube tires, Richard Nixon was president. ;D
-Bruce
I don't think the chain is that much of an issue anymore. A friend on a tiger 1050 sport just hit 60k kms on an original chain and probably had three adjustments. I prefer the shaft drive as well, but a chain is no big issue and does save some weight.Dogdaze said:I think the fuel economy will be much better on the AT than the S10, so the capacity would be a moot point, the chain, although much better these days, I'm with you on that.
You are probably right. ::008:: I can't imagine Honda would have gone this route without some pretty sound reasoning behind the decision. Personally, I am not planning any rides across the Kalahari Desert, so it is academic to me...Dogdaze said:I think, and I may be wrong on this, but it allows much more varied type of tyre, really motox type stuff, serious offroading and allow for bent rims etc when out in the wilderness to be 'tubed' and keep going. This is pure speculation on my part.................. I'm bored, what can I say?
Depends on how you intend to use the bike, chain on a hwy would mean lubing every 600m +/-, but in dirt the chain would wear much quicker. On the plus side, does allow for sprocket and therefore gearing change.........Bushyar15 said:I'm on the fence about the chain, but it does weigh less and I've not read about any real pervasive issues with chains on the KTMs. It will be interesting to see when it gets here!