Hi guys thanks very much for the welcome, hi HoebSTer no I dont think it ever gets old especially if your a dedicated fan , I do think the bikes are definately at their limit now but then again they were saying that 20 + years ago when fogarty and Hislop were racing and laping in the low 120's , Im a manxman lived here all my life and have travelled on the course every day ( you cant avoid it ) when we had totally no speed limits years ago and very little traffic it was fun on a sports bike but now there are too many cars and virtually the only bit of derestricted road is the mountain section, my wife often wonders how I made it to 43 living here and having a bike, hey hANNAbONE if your ever here I'll sink a few with yer, I live virtually on Ballaugh bridge and the raven pub always has a good selection on. ::003::