Has anyone notice how (relatively) cheap Super Tenere parts are?

[dcstrom]

Compared to, lets say, oh I dunno, any bike - what about a BMW GS? (nothing against BMW of course!)

Yamaha parts from http://www.yamahapartshouse.com/home.aspx
BMW parts from http://www.maxbmwmotorcycles.com/fiche/DiagramsMain.aspx?vid=52022&rnd=05012012

BMW YAM
Piston - $338.71 $77.64
Rings - $83.34 $25.51
Crank - $1168.18 $597.69
Headlight - $455.48 $372.34
Fork leg - $1102.40 $631.87
And no need to worry about final drive issues, even if the crown wheel/pinion assembly needs replacing, the set is - get this - $232.85. I can't see any equivalent BMW pricing, but you can bet it's way more than that...

Bear in mind that Yamahapartswarehouse parts are fairly heavily discounted, so it's not a totally fair comparison. Anyone know where to buy discounted BMW parts?

 

[Dallara]

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Yep! Ya' gotta' love it! Not only are Yamaha parts less expensive, you don't need to buy 'em as often as most other brands. Truly a classic *WIN-WIN* scenario! ;D

Of course, those folks thoroughly and hopelessly addicted to "Roundel Ranger Kool-Aid", "Katoom Orangeade", etc. will tell you higher parts prices, more frequent parts replacement, and shorter maintenance schedules are all worth it... :

Just goes to show ya'... A tuning fork is much easier to live with than an airplane propeller! ::008::

Thanks, DCStrom!

Dallara



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[JaimeV]

You can be happy in USA but in Spain (and I think in Europe) the parts are much more expensive. I wonder why??? ::005::

 

[sail2xxs]

The thing about expensive BMW parts is that you won't buy them all that often. Not because they don't break or wear out, but because you've run out of money after taking the bike to the shop for service. No money = no gas = no riding = no need for parts.

Chris

 

[3putt]

The FD on a 07 K1200GT was 1800+ labor, I saw the invoice on my bike.

 

[Dallara]

You can be happy in USA but in Spain (and I think in Europe) the parts are much more expensive. I wonder why??? ::005::

I think you can thank the "European Union" and specific trade restrictions for that... :-[

Dallara



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[dcstrom]

The FD on a 07 K1200GT was 1800+ labor, I saw the invoice on my bike.

Yeah on the BMW parts fiche I could only see the entire final drive assembly, at about $1900. I didn't seem that you could buy the crown wheel/pinion as separate components. On the Yamaha fiche I couldn't see the entire final drive assembly, only the components - so no good way to compare like with like.

If that's true (that you can't buy BMW crown wheel/pinion sets)... it means if you have worn or damaged final drive gears on either bike - Yam will cost you $232 in parts, BMW $1900.

Trevor

 

[mingo]

BMW USA does not permit its dealers to discount oem parts. Some do but don't advertise it.
I for one am so glad to be rid of my 12gs. I chuckle as I read the final drive failure thread on advrider.

 

[Dallara]

...On the Yamaha fiche I couldn't see the entire final drive assembly, only the components...

Complete final drive assembly - or as Yamaha calls it, "Rear Axle Gear Case Assy" - is part # 23P-46101-00-00

And using your link - http://www.yamahapartshouse.com/home.aspx - it shows a price of $804.75

Just FYI...

Dallara


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[Rasher]

I for one am so glad to be rid of my 12gs. I chuckle as I read the final drive failure thread on advrider.

Same here, nice to know you can just ride your bike without carrying spares or worrying about what will go wrong next and how much it is gonna cost.

A real shame as the GS is a fantastic bike to ride and if it weren't for all the problems I would have kept mine a bit longer and then bought the later twin cam.

Don't intend to sell the Yamaha at all, just keep modding it and riding it, and although it is noce to know the parts are not stupid prices, I don't care as I really do not see it needing much more than consumables.

 

[justbob]

Complete final drive assembly - or as Yamaha calls it, "Rear Axle Gear Case Assy" - is part # 23P-46101-00-00

And using your link - http://www.yamahapartshouse.com/home.aspx - it shows a price of $804.75

Just FYI...

Dallara

and that just about 1/2 the price that I was quoted for a FD for my R1200RT when it failed 1000 miles from home.
About $1600 for the part and a total of $1900 for the complete job. Of course I did NOT pay that, I called home and had my spare FD (its a shame that you have to have a spare handy) shipped overnight at a cost of $137. I paid $250 for the used FD on Ebay, from a low mileage crashed bike. Finished the trip, came home and shortly afterwards sold the bike.
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[Dallara]

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I hope we don't end up turning this into strictly a final drive thread...

But I think somebody should point out that the Super Tenere's final drive is essentially the same components that are used on the V-Max and FJR1300 - both bikes with considerably more power than the S-10, and neither of them have the advantage of traction control, which should make life even easier on the S-10's final drive. If the S-10's "pumpkin" can live through the kind of power and torque the V-Max puts out, along with the wide rims and stickier tires used on it and the FJR, I think one can expect the S-10's final drive to be pretty much bulletproof.

And it damn sure doesn't hurt that the S-10's rear wheel has a full-width axle and a real dual-beam swingarm. Much better bearing support, along with more bearings for support, etc. compared to the single-sided set-up on the Beemers.

Honestly, I think BMW's "Paralever" is an answer to question nobody really asked for a production bike. Sure, it's an ad writer's wet dream, but the only place a single-sided swingarm really makes sense is on an endurance racer that requires quick rear wheel changes. If you look carefully you quickly see that in no other motorcycle competition is a single-sided swingarm used. It compromising rigidity, keeping the wheels in alignment under stress, and seriously compromises reliability. For BMW it's nothing more than a marketing ploy to try and differentiate their product from other manufacturers... A classic example of engineering the *WRONG* way - i.e. with function following form...

Rather than form following function, as it should be.

Just my two centavos...

Dallara



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[GrahamD]

You can be happy in USA but in Spain (and I think in Europe) the parts are much more expensive. I wonder why??? ::005::

Same in OZ. It's over the top, so the parts come in from the USA over here, if you are clued into that.

BMW parts here vary from OK to "bloody hell!" the original purchase price is just "bloody hell!!" where the YAMAHA is OK.

So meeh. Whatever. I'll be using UPS a bit if I need to.

 

[markjenn]

Having owned a couple BMWs (and done some major repairs), my judgment is that BMW parts average about 30% higher, but this is an average and in some cases, BMW stuff is cheaper. I've noted that bodywork is generally cheaper on a BMW compared to Japanese bikes and some maintenance items are cheaper. For example, Yamaha wants $36 for an air filter whereas BMW wants $26. But this is the exception... for most stuff, the Japanese bike will be cheaper.

As someone else said, I think the OP is comparing list vs. discount prices (BMW doesn't allow advertising prices on the net less than list), so even on the prices shown, the differences aren't as dramatic as they might appear.

A good ballpark for BMW ownership is that it will cost you about 30% more.... initial purchase price, maintenance, insurance, etc. Definitely signfiicant but not a total deal breaker if you want the BMW machine. Despite the incessant bashing that goes on in this (obviously partisan) forum, they have their merits.

- Mark

 

[Brntrt]

No I haven't notice how cheap Yamaha parts are. Other than tires, gas, oil and farkles I haven't spent a dime on the S10!!


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Mark

 

[azokie]

I also have a BMW in addition to the S10 so I know what BMW stands for--Bring More Money )

 

[markjenn]

...I know what BMW stands for--Bring More Money )

But then it would be BMM. I think the joke goes "Bring More Wallet".

- Mark