CDMartin884
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Ding, ding, ding, ding, give that man a cupie doll 
Has Anyone Else Noticed?
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I gotta admit, I was one of the ones who kicked up a fuss with Yamaha when I first had the hard-start problem. I drained and recharged the battery three times before it finally started. This was in my backyard so wasn't too worried... What I WAS worried about was the scenario depicted in the video from a few posts back. It would be REALLY inconvenient to be stuck in the middle of nowhere with a non-starting bike and a flat battery - with no way to recharge it.
Fortunately it seems we know the way to deal with it now - as soon as it shows signs of not starting, just go wide-open-throttle. In theory, from what I know of the FI system, this shouldn't work - but it does.
Trevor
Fortunately it seems we know the way to deal with it now - as soon as it shows signs of not starting, just go wide-open-throttle. In theory, from what I know of the FI system, this shouldn't work - but it does.
Trevor
MrTwisty
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Mine has done it twice in 22K miles and I too was at home both times. I'm extra careful not to shut the bike off soon after starting it now, but if I forget and it does it again when I'm miles from home, I'm going to be pissed. I still think it's a shame to have to follow a protocol for starting your motorcycle.
MrTwisty said:
You should'a been around in the days when you had to go through a *REAL* ritual just to get your bike started... Turn fuel petcock on, "tickle" the carb until fuel runs out *just* the right amount, fold out the kickstarter, bring the piston up to just past top-dead center, switch on, hold the throttle open *just* the right amount, and then - *KICK* like your life depended on it!!! Repeat as necessary until running. ::025::
And that kind of regime was for the *EASY* ones!!!
What's that quote from RuffJeep in your signature? ::013::
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I remember those days very well. First, there was my 1967 Triumph 250 Trophy, then my 1970 Triumph Tiger. Much kicking and occasional (sometimes more than occasional) swearing. ::025::Dallara said:You should'a been around in the days when you had to go through a *REAL* ritual just to get your bike started... Turn fuel petcock on, "tickle" the carb until fuel runs out *just* the right amount, fold out the kickstarter, bring the piston up to just past top-dead center, switch on, hold the throttle open *just* the right amount, and then - *KICK* like your life depended on it!!! Repeat as necessary until running. ::025::
And that kind of regime was for the *EASY* ones!!!
What's that quote from RuffJeep in your signature? ::013::
Dallara
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So go back in time and tell the guy kickstarting his bike this:
I still can't believe I have to push a fr#%^*>king button every time I start the bike, to change TRACTION CONTROL settings.
Change what? It does what? There is a BUTTON for that?
LoL.
I make my living in IT. Basically providing solutions to business problems with a click of a mouse.
Better NOT be too many clicks though. Or you suck at problem solving.
We live in amazing times.
I still can't believe I have to push a fr#%^*>king button every time I start the bike, to change TRACTION CONTROL settings.
Change what? It does what? There is a BUTTON for that?
LoL.
I make my living in IT. Basically providing solutions to business problems with a click of a mouse.
Better NOT be too many clicks though. Or you suck at problem solving.
We live in amazing times.
I had an 04 FJR that had this same problem, which is why I eventually traded it a DL650. No issues starting the DL, ever. I haven't had the hard start issue with my Tenere yet. This topic is well covered on the FJR forum. Seems like is happens when the bike hasn't been started in a while, or when its hot outside and the bike is started and then shut off without fully warming up. I suspect it is a Yamaha thing, as I've not heard of this with other brands.
I had to take the plugs out of the FJR, then turn the motor over with the fuel injection off to clear out the cylinders, then install new plugs before it would start. Sometimes WFO would work, sometimes not.
I had to take the plugs out of the FJR, then turn the motor over with the fuel injection off to clear out the cylinders, then install new plugs before it would start. Sometimes WFO would work, sometimes not.
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You forgot the part where every once in a while when you left you foot on the kick starter after your last attempt, it would kickback...HARD! I don't miss those days at all.Dallara said:
MrTwisty
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Dallara said:You should'a been around in the days when you had to go through a *REAL* ritual just to get your bike started... Turn fuel petcock on, "tickle" the carb until fuel runs out *just* the right amount, fold out the kickstarter, bring the piston up to just past top-dead center, switch on, hold the throttle open *just* the right amount, and then - *KICK* like your life depended on it!!! Repeat as necessary until running. ::025::
And that kind of regime was for the *EASY* ones!!!
What's that quote from RuffJeep in your signature? ::013::
Dallara
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Pffft!
Unfortunatly, I am old enough to remember such rituals, but that is ancient history. I still ride dirt bikes frequently and some of my riding buddies still have kick start bikes because they don't want the extra weight of the battery and starter. I get great pleasure in watching them kick, and kick, and cuss, and kick, and cuss some more. When they finally get it started, I smugly push my "majic button" and off we go. If I wanted to save a couple of pounds, I'd just take a good shit before I ride.
Yes, I'm spoiled by modern technology and improved reliability. I suspect most, nay all, of the inmates here are too.
Dragon997
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This post and Snakebittens reply made me think of this.......careful its got some salty language!!!!snakebitten said:So go back in time and tell the guy kickstarting his bike this:
I still can't believe I have to push a fr#%^*>king button every time I start the bike, to change TRACTION CONTROL settings.
Change what? It does what? There is a BUTTON for that?
LoL.
I make my living in IT. Basically providing solutions to business problems with a click of a mouse.
Better NOT be too many clicks though. Or you suck at problem solving.
We live in amazing times.
http://youtu.be/KpUNA2nutbk
Grumpy
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Mine was OK Friday morning, but failed to start Monday. I left it charging over night, but still no go. The bike is 30 months old with 4500m on the clock. It's a pre owned bike and I have 2 months left on the dealer warrenty, I contacted him and he has sent me a new battery and I hope to fit it at the weekend. By the way what is WOT? not seen that before.
Grumpy
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Cheers creggur ::008::
I wonder if the problem is due to some poor batteries. I still have the original battery on my 2008 FJR and it still fires up like new with a once a week use of the Datatool battery charger, thats if I don't get a chance to ride it.
I wonder if the problem is due to some poor batteries. I still have the original battery on my 2008 FJR and it still fires up like new with a once a week use of the Datatool battery charger, thats if I don't get a chance to ride it.
petenere
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when you start your bike always make sure it's at operating temp before you turn it off, both times mine wouldn't start was after washing it then riding it into the shed and turning it off before it properly warmed up, it took a lot of winding to get it to fire, yes i mean a LOT, wide open throttle and give the starter a chance to cool down between attempts (booster battery done the trick) i made lot of enquiries about the problem, apparently it gets a gut of fuel and just won't fire, i haven't had a problem since let it warm up properly.
i hope this is helpful.
CHEERS
i hope this is helpful.
CHEERS
I've had two occurrences: once after a wash like yours, and once after fueling up and my thumb slipped off the starter button before she caught. Luckily, I'd read this thread and the WOT tricked worked after some fussing and complaining from the old girl.petenere said:
Both times I could smell the fuel (over-rich) after she finally fired...
*knock on wood* it's been over a year since I've had it happen.
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Dallara, your evil trick has worked. You have cause a whole lot of us guys to admit to an issue that you tell us does not exist.
Genius plan...shall you flog us now?
;D
Genius plan...shall you flog us now?
;D
I only had the issue once a couple weeks after I got it. Oddly enough, I got the GenI flash shortly thereafter and then the GenII that following spring. Never had it again after that.
Could it be so simple that something defined within the GenII flash fixes/optimizes whatever is causing what seems to be the overly rich/flooding problem causing this?
With enough data samples, maybe we'll know. Otherwise, just speculating. Maybe it's already come up in discussion...
Could it be so simple that something defined within the GenII flash fixes/optimizes whatever is causing what seems to be the overly rich/flooding problem causing this?
With enough data samples, maybe we'll know. Otherwise, just speculating. Maybe it's already come up in discussion...
Mine has done it without flash, with Gen 1 flash and with Gen 2 flash. 8 or 9 times over 33000 miles. Done it under different conditions. Never after cycling key when working on bike.Karson said:
Dirt_Dad said:
Would it be that I were so wise! ::025::
But then again... You have this:
Karson said:
Immediately followed by this:
Z06 said:
I mean, c'mon Fellas!!!
You 're really gonna' try and tell me there's absolutely no possibility whatsoever the problem might not be operator induced?
The randomness of it alone suggests that, as does logic. But hey, to each their own.
Dallara
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Maybe they are out riding instead of posting their every bowl movement or hard starting Yamaha on the Internet.