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Wife got me a new jacket as a surprise (Kilimanjaro 2011 in Day-Glo Yellow). Had a chance to use with my Gerbings heated liner (not vest) on a very cold, windy damp day last week on my way down to Bill Mayer Saddles to a seat fitting ( http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=3926.0 ).

Well, the new jacket is drafty compared to my old one and just wearing the microfiber liner under the jacket my arms froze....well actually the bottom of my arms, the tops were warm. Guess I never noticed that the microwire jacket liner only has heating elements on the top of the arms (why?), as I think this was masked by my old jacket with a built-in quilted lining. The rest of me was plenty warm. Cold arms suck.

So....so I need to wear the Gerbings liner under the Kilimanjaro liner or get a different jacket? Or maybe a different heated liner?
 

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Tough choices. The Kili is a pretty good jacket. I know several guys that really like their various generations of Kili. You might check out the upgrade program that Warm-n-Safe has for a discount on their heated jacket liners. Or just check out their heated gear and decide if perhaps you want to change to that, and sell the Gerbings. That may be the less expensive option that gives you long term comfort.
 

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Get a very light windbreaker, that fits you closely but doesn't bind. Wear it over your Gerbing jacket and under your riding jacket. If you can keep air from swirling around in there, the electrics will be a lot more effective, even if they do have cold spots.

I've had to deal with a lot of these types of problems because I'm a hard-to-fit size. My latest favorite for getting the most out of my electrics is the women's version of this "Sandstone" jacket from Eddie Bauer: http://www.eddiebauer.com/catalog/product.jsp?ensembleId=38935&colorId=920. It is a windbreaker, but the synthetic it's made out of is stretchy, and it's super thin so it doesn't turn me into the michelin man.
 

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elizilla said:
Get a very light windbreaker, that fits you closely but doesn't bind. Wear it over your Gerbing jacket and under your riding jacket. If you can keep air from swirling around in there, the electrics will be a lot more effective, even if they do have cold spots.

I've had to deal with a lot of these types of problems because I'm a hard-to-fit size. My latest favorite for getting the most out of my electrics is the women's version of this "Sandstone" jacket from Eddie Bauer: http://www.eddiebauer.com/catalog/product.jsp?ensembleId=38935&colorId=920. It is a windbreaker, but the synthetic it's made out of is stretchy, and it's super thin so it doesn't turn me into the michelin man.
Very good idea. Thanks!
 

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elizilla said:
Get a very light windbreaker, that fits you closely but doesn't bind. Wear it over your Gerbing jacket and under your riding jacket. If you can keep air from swirling around in there, the electrics will be a lot more effective, even if th ::012::ey do have cold spots.

I've had to deal with a lot of these types of problems because I'm a hard-to-fit size. My latest favorite for getting the most out of my electrics is the women's version of this "Sandstone" jacket from Eddie Bauer: http://www.eddiebauer.com/catalog/product.jsp?ensembleId=38935&colorId=920. It is a windbreaker, but the synthetic it's made out of is stretchy, and it's super thin so it doesn't turn me into the michelin man.
That's a great idea, thanks elizilla. ::008::
The high collar is exactly what I need! ::012::

Regards, Paul
 

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Anyone here have the Warm-n-safe jacket liner (gen 3 or gen 4)? Does it have fully heated arms?
 

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I use a Gerbing full liner and it works well. Something I was told early on, wear a long sleeved t-shirt as your first layer. Then the liner, and a short sleeved t-shirt that will make the liner fit closely to your body. I always wear a windproof liner and then the jacket.
I am now wearing a Scorpion Master mesh jacket and this has worked very well. As it gets warmer, I just start loosing layers.. I can wear a mesh jacket from the low 30s to high 90's so far. I think it will do ok in the triple digits as well.
 

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japako said:
I use a Gerbing full liner and it works well. Something I was told early on, wear a long sleeved t-shirt as your first layer. Then the liner, and a short sleeved t-shirt that will make the liner fit closely to your body. I always wear a windproof liner and then the jacket.
I am now wearing a Scorpion Master mesh jacket and this has worked very well. As it gets warmer, I just start loosing layers.. I can wear a mesh jacket from the low 30s to high 90's so far. I think it will do ok in the triple digits as well.
Good stuff, but a caution on the mesh gear in triple digit heat. For prolonged riding in high heat, mesh is counter intuitive. It sounds like a good idea, but when the air temp is over your body temp, you're no longer getting any cooling effect from the air flow and you are now sucking precious moisture from your body in spades, further complicating your hydration needs. It's better to wet down, then zip up, in high heat. Non-mesh gear used this way will keep you much, much cooler and avoid heat injury. This really, really works well with wicking fabrics like LDComfort stuff too.
 

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EricV said:
Good stuff, but a caution on the mesh gear in triple digit heat. For prolonged riding in high heat, mesh is counter intuitive. It sounds like a good idea, but when the air temp is over your body temp, you're no longer getting any cooling effect from the air flow and you are now sucking precious moisture from your body in spades, further complicating your hydration needs. It's better to wet down, then zip up, in high heat. Non-mesh gear used this way will keep you much, much cooler and avoid heat injury. This really, really works well with wicking fabrics like LDComfort stuff too.
Know what you mean Eric, but I have never been able to get used to wearing a closed up jacket in the heat. When it gets real hot I wet my t-shirt with water I carry. That keeps me cool for awhile. Then I stop, drink water, and wet the shirt and start all over. This has worked in temps in the 100's, but I really try not to ride much in those temps. I'd rather ride at night on a trip crossing West Texas into NM and NV. Once I get to the mountains, I'm good to go.. ::025::
 

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I have had my Gerbing jacket, pants and gloves for a couple winters now, and have found the following set up to work best for me. I commute to DC 110 miles a day roundtrip, regardless of the temperature or weather (unless it's snowing or my driveway is iced over, I'm riding).

When it's really cold out (teens) my first layer is a long sleeve compression shirt from Cabelas for insulation and to keep any perspiriation moving away from me. Second layer is the gerbing jacket, third layer is a Cabelas TEF 60 Windshear jacket. http://www.cabelas.com/mens-uninsulated-outerwear-cabelas-t-e-f-60-windshear-8482-jacket-150-tall-1.shtml
The windshear jacket absolutely does not let air in, and is the best fleece I have ever owned for staying totally warm. I have probably 20+ different fleece jackets, pullovers, etc. that I have bought over the years trying to find the right one for really cold weather riding, and this did the trick. The collar on the windshear jacket works perfectly as a neck liner for my Darien riding jacket. I wish riding gloves were made of this magic material!!!

I have a dual controller for my gerbing gear, but have found that my hands get cold when I have the jacket set at the right temperature, or the jacket gets too hot when my hands are comfortable. It all depends on air-flow. On my ST1300, and prior fully faired bikes, I didn't need anything but heated gloves until temps dropped to the single digits. I only bought the heated gear when I had to get through my first winter on the 800 GS. When it's really cold, I use the separate wire harness for the gloves without plugging them into the jacket (this way they are independent of the controller). This allows me to have the pants and jacket running at a comfortable setting, and the gloves default to running at full blast. (Which is still not enough sometimes.)

I also have a very thin, totally windproof balaclava that I wear under my helmet. The balaclava is made by Schoompa? (not positive) and makes the seal between jacket and helmet complete. It also helps tremendously with keeping my throat from freezing. My one complaint about the balaclava is that it makes the helmet a bit snugger than I would like.

When it's a bit warmer, (mid-30s and up), I prefer to use a neck warmer I found in the clearance section of a BMW shop - this is basically it: http://www.sierrabmwonline.com/product_info.php/bmw-neck-warmer-2011-cold-weather-gear-76238520-885-887-p-985 No claustrophobia in the helmet, and a reasonably toasty neck with no drafts. ;)

We have tremendously humid summers here, and riding in heavy traffic in the afternoon can be a toasty experience when temps are in the 90's with 100+ humidity, bright sunshine, hot asphalt, and no airflow.

For these kinds of commutes, I wear a cotton long sleeved t-shirt that I wet down a bit before walking out of the office, and have all the vents on the Darien jacket open. It helps, but I feel like I still lose about 5 pounds on my way home! :) I always wear jeans under my Darien pants for commuting, and just accept the fact that I will be warm.

For longer rides in this kind of weather, I have a hydration pack, and I often fill the front pockets of the Darien with ice from the drink vending machines at the gas station or truck stop. Instead of the jeans, I wear some seamless long wicking underpants I picked up on sale at a BMW shop - (not exactly these, but basically the same thing) http://www.ascycles.com/detail.aspx?ID=76252

I also wear a shirt of the same material, which breathes better than the cotton long sleeved t-shirt. A disadvantage of the BMW underpants is that more or less nothing is left to the imagination when you take your riding pants off... in the interest of modesty and not scaring the general public, I slip my jeans over them when I know I'll be stopped for a bit and don't want to wear the riding pants.

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stevepsd said:
Anyone here have the Warm-n-safe jacket liner (gen 3 or gen 4)? Does it have fully heated arms?
I have the Gen 3 jacket, but as this was my first winter with it, I didn't notice if the arms are heated all the way around. I'll hook it up to the bike later, and check it out.
 

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I use the warm and safe via firstgear. full jacket and yes arms are wired fully. Use it under a firstgear teton deep into the 20s with the jacket liner but over a long sleeve t-shirt...no problem.

This version is only a year old so not sure if ge 3 or 4 but ::008::

my apologies...just checked and there is a two inch strip of spandex under each arm so the wires do not go completely around the arm. never noticed!
 

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Since it is starting to turn cooler I thought I should bring up a old thread. I finally gave up with my Gerbing Microwire jacket.

As was posted over on ADVrider "I've never been so cold and warm at the same time. The tops of my arms were warm, the bottoms freezing. My back was warm, my kidney area was freezing. Shoulders, cold. Chest Hot. The jacket is so thin, missing the Thinsulate insulation that the old style had, there's no even distribution of heat. Now, without any insulation the jacket is worthless to wear around the campsite to stay warm, on top of not keeping you warm all around on the bike. "

I replaced it with a Gen4 (soft-heat) jacket from Warm-n-Safe and their wireless dual controller. All I can say is WOW. I should have bought first. This heats up fast. Has full coverage. Much nicer than the Gerbings. I kept my Gerbing T5 heated gloves though.

The wireless controller is wonderful and the jacket has a nifty pocket just for the controller.

If you go over to the vendor section on ADVrider, there is a discount code for Warm-n-Safe - I believe the discount was either 20% or 25%. Very substantial.

If you have any questions, just call Mike over at Warm-n-safe. He is great to deal with.

Don't buy knock-off's ( http://www.warmnsafe.com/we-invent-they-copy-why/ ), buy the real stuff!
 

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Do they have the same connectors as Gerbings? Just wondering how you are keeping your gloves and using the new jacket.
 

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I too have found the Kilimanjaro to be cold. I'll be using it as a spring/fall jacket and digging out my old Tourmaster Transition 2 for winter use. I have the Fist Gear heated liner and it has no insulation in it like the tourmaster liner had. You feel every wire and hot spot. You really need long sleeves under it to even the heat out and an insulation layer over it to hold the heat.
I'll probably try Warmnsafe when I wear this liner out.
 

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JonnyCinco said:
Do they have the same connectors as Gerbings? Just wondering how you are keeping your gloves and using the new jacket.
Yes, Co-Ax connectors are the current standard. Older Gerbings & Warm-n-Safe used SAE plugs. Adapters exist for almost any combo.

Seems to be a post missing that I saw in email notification. ::)

I have an older Gerbings liner, (marketed as being a useful walk around jacket, btw), and I do use it that way. It's been back to the factory once after a crash, just for a check out. The current crop of gear offers some different options. I've been up to the Factory in WA too. They have a tendency to do better for people that walk in with gear than mail in, from my limited experience.

From what I've seen, I'd go with Warm-n-Safe for the features I like. Got to check out their stuff again recently in person and loved the quality. And there is nothing second rate about W-n-S. I've been using their Heat-Trollers exclusively since '92. And have on occasion spoken and dealt directly with Mike Coan (sp). He once emailed me after I placed an online order and asked if I just wanted to come over to the warehouse and pick it up will call to save the shipping costs. At the time I lived in Portland, where the warehouse was. I did, and got a nice tour of the place as well and some good conversation. Solid people and a great product.
 

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stevepsd said:
If you go over to the vendor section on ADVrider, there is a discount code for Warm-n-Safe - I believe the discount was either 20% or 25%. Very substantial.

I've got an early generation Gerbing liner and you put it well at being both hot and cold at the same time, so this year I want to try the W&S. I searched the ADV vendor section and the only discounts I found were old. Can you share what the current one is?
Thanks
 

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Checkswrecks said:
I've got an early generation Gerbing liner and you put it well at being both hot and cold at the same time, so this year I want to try the W&S. I searched the ADV vendor section and the only discounts I found were old. Can you share what the current one is?
Thanks
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RonH said:
I think your Gerbing jacket was defective. I have a Gerbing microwire jacket and yes it heats the entire thing clear down to your wrists and does a great job. No hot and cold spots, the whole thing heats up nicely.
Nope. Not defective. Except the design.

Just go feel your jacket, you can tell where the heating pads are (and are not). For example the heating pads on on the top of the jacket sleeves, but none on the bottom (top/bottom defined as on your bike holding the bars). Same for shoulders. Same for your kidneys.

Read about others experiences here: http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=649013

Hopefully they changed the design when they brought back the manufacturing to the US from China this year. When I spoke with Gerbings about mine, they basically said 'tough, that's the way it is. ' No where near as good as their earlier jackets.

I went with Warm-n-Safe, gen 4, heating coverage everywhere. Happy. Their wireless controller is FANTASTIC as well. Only have to deal with one wire connection to the bike. Nice. I wonder how long it will be till Gerbings copies this as well.....
 
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