For those choosing the factory S10 panniers and top case a question...

[pqsqac]

Are you at all concerned about Yamaha's warning of not running both the top case and side cases at the same time due to overloading or is this just extra caution on their part, liability wise?

 

[Buckeye56]

Maybe both. If you ride two-up you could overload the bike. More likely it is a CYA procedure. I am not worried about it as I do not put heavy stuff in the topcase of my ST1300 and have had no issues. Since I ride solo I won't overload the box on the S10 either.

 

[Swagger]

I take it as an advisory ... the cases are relatively small and I ain't carryin' bullion. The label in the sidecases states max load 10kg. Maybe it's to do with the way it slices through the air ... s'got the aerodynamics of a brick this thing ;D

 

[keeponriding]

I'm not worried...but then again, I don't like top cases.

I would think the biggest fear is someone putting weight up top, destabilizing the bike. On longer trips, I bring a tail bag with my cook stove, dehydrated food and coffee/tea/oatmeal...the heavier stuff (tents, clothes) stuffed low and forward in bags for better COG. As a manufacturer, they may be concerned of someone not taking due consideration and redirecting liability.

 

[colorider]

I do not plan to use the Yamaha bags/topcase, but I will still use all three pieces at times, mainly when my wife is with me. Caution is the rule any time you are loading a topcase to not overload it. I always use mine for light stuff and load the heavier stuff in the side bags.

 

[Jakeboy]

I do not plan to use the Yamaha bags/topcase, but I will still use all three pieces at times, mainly when my wife is with me. Caution is the rule any time you are loading a topcase to not overload it. I always use mine for light stuff and load the heavier stuff in the side bags.

Overloading a topcase can cause some exciting wobbles, wallows and twitches when doing high speed sweepers and less than ideal, twisty road surfaces, for sure. The topcase gets the light stuff; rain suit, down sleeping bag and mat, etc. I like the idea of a Givi E36 case, as it's fairly light, has acceptable space and is somewhat aerodynamic. It's a little flimsier than some of the others, but it's pretty much out of the way from being damaged in a fall. The square boxes some are using for top cases give me pause given the amount of air they might push, although "slippery", might not be a term used in conjunction with an adventure bike!

 

[colorider]

I like the idea of a Givi E36 case, as it's fairly light, has acceptable space and is somewhat aerodynamic. It's a little flimsier than some of the others, but it's pretty much out of the way from being damaged in a fall.

The E36 (and it's big brother, the E45) is one of Givi's real bargain bags. I have used them for both side and top cases on several bikes over the year. I think the first time was on an '89 Honda TransAlp. Currently, I am using a E460 for a tail trunk on my FJR, which I will also use on the SuperT.

 

[macca]

For some reason this warning seems to only be for the US bikes. My UK bike has fitting instructions for the panniers that show its ok to use with a top box. Though they only spec 5kgs max in the top box (cant recall what the max wieght is for OEM side panniers) . I'm running a HB Xplorer top box and it too has a 5kg max rating .
Ps the bike is very stable at average UK m-way speeds (when peops arent dawdling) with the HB top box fitted. my old 660 Tenere (with same top box was a bit more flighty and felt a weave wasnt a million miles away if provoked.

 

[rocca]

Yep, some of Yamaha's own accessory promo shots also show the bike with all three boxes fitted.

I suspect the instruction in reality has little to do with overloading and is more likely a bit of lawyer-inspired arse covering either in relation to the risks of gross overweighting of the boxes, or theoretical stability issues at very high speed when all three are fitted (a few other bikes have had problems re. the latter).

Like macca says, it's super stable with the luggage on (for such a barn-door of a bike) and much more planted than the 660.

 

[pqsqac]

I was told at the DC bike show Yamaha only loaded all three pieces to show what is available not that the bike should be ridden like that. The pics do make you think you can run all three but if you check out the Yammi site and the packages they offer you will notice the packages have one or the other options not both.

Yep, some of Yamaha's own accessory promo shots also show the bike with all three boxes fitted.

I suspect the instruction in reality has little to do with overloading and is more likely a bit of lawyer-inspired arse covering either in relation to the risks of gross overweighting of the boxes, or theoretical stability issues at very high speed when all three are fitted (a few other bikes have had problems re. the latter).

Like macca says, it's super stable with the luggage on (for such a barn-door of a bike) and much more planted than the 660.

 

[markjenn]

I was told at the DC bike show Yamaha only loaded all three pieces to show what is available not that the bike should be ridden like that. The pics do make you think you can run all three but if you check out the Yammi site and the packages they offer you will notice the packages have one or the other options not both.

Which is consistent with "arse-covering" as has been suggested. Each importer makes its own decisions about how to package up the accessories and this does include the local product liability climate. Also, it's possible Yamaha USA doesn't want to do any testing about aero and loading problems with all three in place that has been done by the Euro distributor.

If you use common sense, I don't think there would be an issue with running all three. By the same token, don't be surprised if the front end feels a little vague or you get a high-speed weave above 100.

Top boxes are evil on a high-speed road bike. Convenient as hell, but evil.

- Mark

 

[rocca]

I was told at the DC bike show Yamaha only loaded all three pieces to show what is available not that the bike should be ridden like that. The pics do make you think you can run all three but if you check out the Yammi site and the packages they offer you will notice the packages have one or the other options not both.

Not this side of the pond.

Mounting instructions included with the Yamaha accessory top box show a specific graphic with all three cases mounted and a big tick and "ok" next to it.

The only warnings are to do with max. speed and loading.

 

[pqsqac]

Mark is that picture for real!!!! ??? Please tell me that extra baggage on the top box is photo shopped in for laughs.

 

[markjenn]

Mark is that picture for real!!!! ???

Absolutely. Was refueling and drinking a coke in beautiful downtown Fields Oregon when a whole gaggel of Harleys pulled up, most of them two-up and running T-bags like this. The passenger probably needed to dismount first or the bike would tip over backward.

Loved the chaps, floorboard tassles, and handlebar streamers too. Cards in the spokes would have completed it.

- Mark

 

[pqsqac]

Man that poor fender rack must have been screaming for relief from all the weight unbelievable!!

 

[Kevhunts]

.... Mark is that picture for real!!!! ??? Please tell me that extra baggage on the top box is photo shopped in for laughs ...

Don't you guys know anything? That's a Harley Parachute! ) ) )

 

[johnnail]

that would be fine on a bagger, because he was cruising about 40mph.

 

[RockyDS]

I like the idea of a Givi E36 case, as it's fairly light, has acceptable space and is somewhat aerodynamic. It's a little flimsier than some of the others, but it's pretty much out of the way from being damaged in a fall.

Anyone fitted the Givi E36 with the Yamaha panniers? Just wonder if the top case would interfere with the pannier lids? I got a good deal on the Yamaha panniers but I'm not prepared to pay $480 Cdn for the top case. Way too expensive. So I'm looking for a reasonable top case that would really only be a back rest for my wife.

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[tkad]

Anyone fitted the Givi E36 with the Yamaha panniers? Just wonder if the top case would interfere with the pannier lids? I got a good deal on the Yamaha panniers but I'm not prepared to pay $480 Cdn for the top case. Way too expensive. So I'm looking for a reasonable top case that would really only be a back rest for my wife.

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JC Whitney has a Givi knock off, usually less than $70 shipped with mounting bracket, in 2 sizes, 31l and the larger is around 42l (could not find the rating on the web site, and are on sale now for $60. I had my strom fall against a wall, busting off the windshield and scratching the heck out of this trunk (rest of the bike was fine). the bracket, latches, hinges, etc are fine, not bent or anything. the un-aware would have a hard time telling the difference between this and a Givi if it weren't for the cheezy logo on the top of the case, which I covered up with Yamaha tuning forks. paint the awful orange with duplo black or silver (as I did) and it looks great.

http://www.jcwhitney.com/motorcycle-travel-trunks/p2010969.jcwx?skuId=346517&filterid=c14603u0j3

 

[KingChicken]

+1 on the JC WHitney Case. I got the 42L for the top case on my KLR. It has survived drops, slams, ineptitude, break-in attempts and looks a little rough, but mostly where I scratched the paint off that orange strip. I have had it come off the back rack when I hit a huge pothole on the freeway going 50 kph (not paying attention to road), flip off the back of the bike and skid into the curb. Net damage: slight crack by one hinge (closed with bonding agent) and some scratches.

It ain't pretty, but it works, and it even has a crappy little plastic bump for a back rest already attached. You get more than you pay for with this trunk.